Armenian crusader coins...

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Jhonn, Jul 28, 2006.

  1. Jhonn

    Jhonn Team Awesome

    Here's something interesting: I'm doing pro-bono numismatic research attributing at least 28 (but possibly many more) assorted alumni-donated coins at my university (Brandeis) this upcoming semester. The Classics Dept. has had these sitting in a display case in the main library for a long time (possibly several decades) without any information whatsoever. Most are late Roman coins, but a few Byzantines are scattered here and there, and in addition there is at least one AE Greek/Roman Republic that I can see, but of more interest to me were two or three "medieval" coins. I started Google-ing "Italian medieval coins" which led me to investigate "Crusader coins" after coming across picture of a coin that looked similar to what was in the case, and finally I came across a page on medieval Armenian coins, which is what these mystery coins are. I should've noticed the Armenian script, as I happen to live in a town with the second-largest Armenian-American population in the U.S., but I somehow didn't. Still, these will be fun to attribute further.

    Note: I don't mind doing this for free, but I'll be danged if I wasn't graduating next year, as I could've applied for a new grant which would have given me a $500 stipend for working on these coins. Too bad...:whistle:

    Note #2: At the behest of one of my professors, I'm loaning my small ancient collection to the university for at least 6 months, and they'll be on display next to the coins I attribute. Can't wait for that!
     
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  3. Bonedigger

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    Hey, that's pretty neat :)

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  4. mamooney

    mamooney Senior Member

    I think I read that Hebrew College in Newton has a ancient coin collection as well as numerous texts in their library collection. Temple Kehillath Israel was also bequeathed an Israeli Medal collection.Maybe they would be interested in showcasing their collection as well with Brandeis for they are all local.

    Good Luck and good work.

    When and where can we see the exhibition once completed? Will it be online as well?

    Can members of the Forum donate coins to Brandeis for a nice deduction? If so, put the address out there....maybe someone in the forum is interested.

    Are there other Numismatists at Brandeis?

    Mike
     
  5. Jhonn

    Jhonn Team Awesome

    I'll look into that. I wasn't aware that H.C. had any such collection.

    I believe it will still be on display in the main library on-campus (the Farber/Goldfarb Library). I have a feeling the Classics Dept. will update their site online as the attributions start to come along. I was told the Classics Dept. page would feature an article on the process (this next semester, undergraduates will also start cataloging over 800 donated ancient artifacts currently in the possesion of the Classics Dept.)

    Maybe someone has some Jewish coins to donate? As far as I know, Brandeis has none, though they have a large array of other Jewish artifacts, old and new, and plenty of books in the library on Jewish coinage.

    Probably, but none that I know of. I'll be a senior this year, and as of yet, I haven't run across any other coin-enthusiasts, sadly.
     
  6. mamooney

    mamooney Senior Member

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