Are woodgrain cents less desirable?

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  1. cj415

    cj415 Member

    I have a great looking 1909-S Indian Head Cent. It's raw, but I will be sending it in for grading in a future batch.

    My question: Can Cents with heavy woodgrain still achieve a top grade? Or is woodgrain considered a flaw?

    I, for one, like it, but I'm curious what others think?
     
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  3. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Pretty sure they fetch a premium, at least the US ones do in high grade.
     
  4. Skyman

    Skyman Well-Known Member

    As long as they are attractive they are desirable.
     
  5. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    If attractive or not shouldn't affect technical grade. If attractive might add to value (among those who like it).
     
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  6. Sunflower_Coins

    Sunflower_Coins Importer and Exporter

    I've heard that TPGs actually dislike the woodgrain look and may knock the grade on a cent for it. (I haven't had the experience.) Generally collectors like it.
     
  7. Kentucky

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  8. Insider

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    I grade the coin and color as normal, and add streaked alloy on the label. Some of these are very attractive. My favorite are Indian cents w/block crystals. They are not "Woodies."

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  9. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Oooooo...I like that
     
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  11. cj415

    cj415 Member

    Here is the coin in question... the woodgrain isn't totally consistent. It does go all the way through the coin in some places, but not others, which is interesting.

    I'm curious what grade it will receive. I'll know in a few weeks.

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  12. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    Love how the individual grain domains stand out. Must have been an interesting melt, mix, and cool cycle for that ingot. It would be interesting to toss that into an SEM
     
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  13. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    I like em all:):)I can see your coin grading a mid XF very nice.
     
  14. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I don’t think you need to worry. It’s a nice looking coin.
     
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  16. Steven Shaw

    Steven Shaw Well-Known Member

    Looks like XF45
     
  17. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    "Particle boardies"
     
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  18. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    It is a very nice looking coin. I don't see the consistency of the wood grain, there are some shallow areas, especially on the obverse. It should not affect the grading, in my opinion. Good luck.
     
  19. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    It's hard to tell what your coin would grade. The luster is not present in your photos. It has vey nice details though. Strong shield, and the feathers on the headdress are nearly full. Hopefully this coin has luster left.

    At worst should be MS details. Maybe AU details. I am not sure why some have called this coin XF.
     
  20. 1865King

    1865King Well-Known Member

    Wood graining if nice will add a premium to its value. However, in some cases no. It depends on the collector. I was at a big show in October of 2020 and there was one older man specifically looking for Indian cents with wood graining. So they are popular. Personally I like it if nice. Your Indian looks like it would grade XF+ but, if I base my opinion on your pictures your coin has the look of being cleaned / dipped. It looks a little washed out. It could be just the lighting used so the coin may be perfectly fine. In any event that is a well struck 1909-S Indian cent. These are normally seen weakly struck on the feathers and some weakness on the reverse. Yours looks better than most for the grade. I hope it comes back straight graded.
     
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  21. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    No diamonds and beads... other than that, who cares whether wood grain or not. It is still a nice piece for a collection.
     
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