Anyone want to try to figure out this one?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by ndgoflo, Feb 27, 2005.

  1. ndgoflo

    ndgoflo Senior Member

    Hi all, I found this one tonight. What do you all think?

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  3. survivor

    survivor New Member

    hmmm

    What do you use for taking your pics?
     
  4. ndgoflo

    ndgoflo Senior Member

    A camera. :p :p For close ups like this (60x) I use my Digital Blue QX3+ mcroscope. Hooks into the PC USB port. Simple to use and pretty cheap too. (@ $50 off ebay if I remember right)

    But what do you think of the coin?
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Looks like damage to me - question is what did it ? I suppose it's possible it is ejection damage but I think it more likely it was a counting or rolling machine.
     
  6. Metalman

    Metalman New Member

    I see these all the time ,, all years ,wheats memorials, I also find this effect around the rim and below or above the lettering , Planchet copper layer was ruptured, I havent figured out if it was too hot or too cool or if it was cooled too quickly but I think it is one of those senarios

    Rick
     
  7. survivor

    survivor New Member

    many out there

    i have many of these and metalman I think your on the right track
     
  8. ndgoflo

    ndgoflo Senior Member

    You find wheats on copper plated planchets?
     
  9. Metalman

    Metalman New Member

    Funny ndgoflo,,, no I do not find Plated wheats but I do find ruptues such as seen here around some of the devices ,,of couse they do not look as dramatic since the core is not zinc, but they still have the ruptures.

    I put forth a little info about how common these are ,,and then answered your question concerning the cent you pictured.

    no where in my post did I say that I found plated wheats, Im not impressed by such misrepresentations of anothers words.

    I still think it has to do with the cooling or heating of the planchet.
     
  10. ndgoflo

    ndgoflo Senior Member

    Please explain
     
  11. Metalman

    Metalman New Member

    Suffice it to say that I have seen thousands of coins with this ruptureing of the outer layer,, it is not a true lamination error,where a small piece of dirt or grease is sandwhiched in between causing the outer layer to peel away,, it is usually small and situated to the edge of one of the design devices, most of the time the mint mark, but I have seen them by the motto either above or below, under magnification it appears like a tear in the outer layer, I think it is caused by the planchet either being to hot when struck or to cool, or being cooled to rapidly after striking

    When the coin is struck the metal being forced into the die is stretched while the metal of the field is compacted, this creates a place where the two meet at the base of the design device which would be weakened this is where the question is ,are the ones that exhibit this tear to hot when struck which could create a thinner layer at the base of the design device or is it the cooling process which causes rapid contraction the cause? or is it a combination of both ?
     
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