Anyone like this 1916-D on the Bay?

Known bad seller and his 1916-D Dime.




PCGS cert has no TruView image but the past auction listing does (on the right).





Barcode of the Bay example scans to an 1893-S Morgan...





https://www.ebay.com/itm/157035606409

Best, Jack.

 

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Interestingly the barcode is the same as used on a fake 1893-CC "PCGS" Morgan:

 

Counterfeit. And that's a scary one too. Here is a list of, probably not all, the problems with it.

1. The dime has the common antiqued look of a counterfeit coin.

2. The "PCGS AU50" is slightly lower than it should be, when compared against the "1916-D" and "10C".

3. Greysheet/CPG (CDNs) are $8,600 and $11,000. Starting price was $4,000; no dealer is gonna be happy with potentially a $4,600 loss.

4. The letters are slightly, but slightly in such high-dollar coins means very, off.

5. The olive branch is just....... off.

6. The "antiqued" look, if the coin was real, would not straight-grade - a genuine coin that looks like this is the result of an old cleaning.

7. It may be just me, but that dime, even for a counterfeit, is better than AU-50 details.

8. It is a 7-day auction - while not at all a deciding factor, key-date coins like this are usually listed for significantly longer.

Some of these factors play a better role than others; however, someone is gonna get screwed for over $7,000, while eBay will do nothing about it but pat themselves on the back since they just made a good $900 or more.

That coin, to the untrained eye, is a scary good counterfeit. The seller should go to jail should they refuse to take the coin back and sell it for the real value of only a few dollars. Sellers like this are responsible for turning lots of people away from coin collecting, and maybe even coin dealing, all to make a quick buck.

 

Agreed. Other than the oddly formed mintmark, it looks very convincing to me

 

Agreed; It looks to me like they tried to match the genuine one with marks and spot toning...

 

It looks good but it stands out as a counterfeit to me. Personally, I wouldn’t call that an AU coin.

 

All I needed was that the barcode scans as the wrong coin. It's an essential line of defense to download a free QR scanner. Interesting that the toning pattern vaguely resembles the real one, but I wonder if that's just a coincidence. Someone would have to verify the cert and look up the previous sale for that to matter, but if you're going to that level of scrutiny I'd think that a buyer would notice that the mark on the neck is merely close but far from identical.

I reported it and ebay AI was quick to inform me that it didn't find any problem with the listing. I guess if you're going to spend over $7k with a seller with 4 feedbacks and no other active listings you get what you deserve.

Their prior sales:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/157005895087 VF35 1889-CC $1. Sold for $2300.
#29420909 on the label, invalid. Barcode scans as 29471456, also invalid (both removed by PCGS due to counterfeiting?). It's the slash across the eagle's chest CC fake.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/156955837272 VF30 1889-CC $1. Sold for $2225.
#27687240 on the label, correct coin and grade. I can't get the barcode to scan. Also the slash across the eagle's chest CC fake.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/156933955732 Another VF30 1889-CC $1. Sold for $2159.
Barcode matches the cert on the label #27687240, the coin and grade match but there is no image and no previous sales. Cert is the same as on the label of the one above, but it does not appear to be the same coin.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/156932266177 Another VF35 1889-CC $1. Sold for $2250.
#29020909 on the label this time, invalid. Barcode won't scan for me. Seems to be another slash across the eagle's chest CC fake.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/156909498356 VF25 1889-CC $1. Sold for $1775.
#26716308 on the label. Barcode matches, cert lookup matches, seems to have the slash across the eagle's chest but faint.

These plus the subject coin total almost $18000. That's felony level fraud.

 

Maybe if we get enough people to report it...

 

The details in your report were pretty close to what I said. I even attached your comparison images demonstrating that it's not the same coin as the previous sale. The rim on the reverse of the fake cuts off the O in One so that's very obvious even to an untrained eye. Ebay is knowingly facilitating the sale of counterfeits and is violating the Hobby Protection Act. Direct link to listing https://www.ebay.com/itm/157035606409

 

I reported half hour ago, it didn't take them very long to make a deep investigation into the matter and replied to me with: What happened:
We looked into your report and didn’t find the listing to be in violation of our policy. This determination was made using automation or artificial intelligence.

 

Heh-heh, I am in a chat with ebay customer service. I found a live human. Suraj is looking into it.

 

Well that was an hour and a half I could have better spent.

 

I am with @LakeEffect. If it weren't for the mintmark, that's a darned convincing fake. I have a contemporary 16-D with the D added. It is pretty convincing except the D is slightly misplaced. Sadly, I am getting more and more convinced the the counterfeiters will soon ruin our hobby.

 

Admittedly I am not the sharpest digital minded fellow on the web but I wanted to do my part on this one. I clicked on the "report" button and got this message.... I searched and searched and couldn't find the "three dot icon" mentioned in this. I rather think that Ebay would rather not know or care if people are being ripped off.

 

If you're on a desktop, it's the ? icon in the lower right of the screen. I couldn't find the three dots either. I've never used ebay on my phone so I don't know what happens there.

 

Thank you. I have done my part now.

 

I reported it, too. But why should they suddenly turn honest?

 

I think you have balls of steel to be that brave. I doubt 'Everything Benefitting Archenemies Yearly" would do anything about it, but it never hurts to try. I hope $900 is nothing to them, just think the $168,000,000 Gigayacht.

Edit: Try putting that thing on USA Coin Book and it'd be gone in no time.

The A in the acronym was gonna be 'asinine' but I couldn't find a word starting with Y that would describe an extremely stupid seller.

 

"Yahoos" is generic, but works.