Does anyone know of a book like "Photograde" but is dedicated just for proof coins. Specifically proof Lincolns if there is one like that. I have been readin numerous books about grading but they only touch on proof coins. I would like to see something that goes into specific detail on proof Lincolns so I can learn to tell the differance between the high grade 69's versus 70's. Any help would be appreciated. Oh, and yes, I do own a copy of photograde. I want something a little more specific to proof coins
Ok Doug. Thanks for letting me know. I dont why there isnt one. Gradingon Proofs is harder because most of them are so close to perfection. The differance between a 69 and 70 coin is so small but I dont know exactly what to look for.
It may be simple for someone who has been around coins for as many years as you have but for someone new like me and collecting something as small as the Lincoln series, it is not that simple.
Haven't checked pcgs's site for proofs, but they have general descriptions for ms68, 69 & 70, etc. Here's the link. Even if you can find better descriptions, it's going to take some experience to be able to grade them. http://www.pcgs.com/lingo.chtml?universeid=313&letter=M
Grading proof coins. I think its all shysters, smoke, mirrors and a type of day when its not too cloudy. Unfortunately/fortunately (??) I've dipped into the proof Jefferson Nickel coins. I buy them and I sit them down aside one another and I haven't a clue. Of course, part of the problem is that they're different years - so different strikes, etc. which just keeps us normal joe's from ever having a handle on what is going on. I'm not a pro by any stretch, but with MS-/66/67/68, you've got some guidelines. Now what makes a 1971 Jefferson Proof Nickel a PR67 DCAM or a PR 68 DCAM is I think pretty much left to a few sorcerers along the Congo river in Central Africa.
It IS that simple. If you can find a flaw, any flaw, on the coin - it is not a 70. That's really all there is to it.
Doug is right. It is so very simple, and it would be pointless for anyone to author a 2-page book (assuming there is a title page) on how to detect 70's. The only way you can really learn is by comparing slabbed coins, 69 vs 70, and look for the difference(s). Don't expect to learn from one or two coins. You have to look at lots and lots. Chris
Ok guys, I appreciate the responses. I just don't quite understand though. I know if there is a flaw it is not a 70 but how do u tell if a cent is cam or scam or not at all. That is what I meant along with the number grade when I said a book on grading cents. There are books on grading MS coins but not proofs
Is toning on a proof the same as other circ type coins. The extra value is in the eyes of the viewer? The bump in value is just an individual thing. I have proofs with toning that are soooo peeerttyyyy.
All of the grading books describe how to grade Proofs. But it seems that your sole question is how to tell if a coin is a Brilliant Proof, a Cameo Proof, or a Deep Cameo Proof. Cameo is defined by the frost that the devices of the coin has. If there is no frost then it is not Cameo. And the frost has to be there on the majority of the devices, only 1 or 2 spots where the frost is thin is permitted. To be worthy of the Deep Cameo designation all of the devices and legends must have a thick and uniform coating of frost. No gaps or thin spots in the frost are permitted. Now learning how to judge the level of the frost is an experience thing. Many times what a collector thinks is worthy of Cameo or Deep Cameo is not really. But that is because the collector does not have the level of experience necesary to judge it correctly. And about the only way to get that experience is to look at literally thousands of coins. It is not something you can learn from a book. To the contrary, I have seen many, many coins with no flaws and they were fully worthy of the 70 grade.
Thanks Doug for the explanation. I appreciate it. I guess when it comes down to it, I am a book nerd and like to read as jmuch as I can when I am passionate about something. It is funny, Abraham Lincoln, the man on the coin we are talking about, said "great readers are Great leaders." I think he meant that a person who stops learning becomes stagnent and cant grow. i just want to learn as much as I can as fast as I can. I know a lot of coin collecting is just drivers seat experience but I would like to get as knowledgeable as I can about the subject before hand. Thanks again guys for the comments.
Well ya gotta start someplace and books are the best place to start. But no one, and I mean no one, can ever learn to grade from books alone. You have to got to look at thousands, if not tens of thousands, of coins, in hand. And that's just for 1 series.
you werent looking hard enough? since when have they started making 70's i hope you are not talking about moderns? or ddi you see some in the last year or so?
i am saying y waste time? easiest thing is to ask you and be done with it. no matter how hard one tries 99% of people wont ever be in your league just look at the popultion outside the forums. if the interest is still there after a few months then one can take a serious shot at it.
What do you mean if the interest is still there after a few months then you can take a serious shot at it?