Firstly because i think hammered coins are fascinating and secondly...i Just thought i'd ask that's all...
Yes i meant other than you GD! Looks like we're the only two that do though... why the lack of interest? And that's one swell coin you've got there! showing off again GD? Perhaps it's time for me to resurrect Stephen?
ive found a hammer die, a clipped planchet, a bunch of double dies, and a rim CUD in the last three months all in change
Hammerheads? Collecting anything can be broken down into so many subsets. I would not have thought of "Hammered" as a special area. It seems so broad to me. Would you collect "milled" i.e., all "modern" coins? Maybe so... As it is and was, I do have and did have some hammered coins. I bought a mixed lot from Allen Berman. Then, I bought the one I still think of from another dealer, a denier from Troyes, one of the counts of Champaign. I tried to get a coin dated to the years of the Great Fairs. --------- Nice coin, there, by the way, Host, the 1536-42 4 reale Mexico City, assayer G that is.
Hmm well i was just asking in general, and hoped you'd pick your own country/period of interest, if you know what i mean. As for the milled section i always split that into two, based on the English model of Early Milled and Late Milled. I know France and GD's Ducats fall into those two categories also. But as for US coins? Hmmm i think they're all modern/late milled, i don't think i've seen any to the contrary of what i'd call early milled. Likewise with hammered i left the definition wide open so that the people that like ancients could just creep in there, and also for the people that like the early hammered coins of the 'Dark Ages' and Early medieval period, the middle hammered of the late medival and the first part of the early modern period, and the late hammered dating from the 16th century onwards. So the broad definitions were intentional.
I was also just trying to balance up the world coin side of the forum. And balance out the lincolns and those evil Jeffs.
I'm not specifically a collector of `hammered' coins, but my collecting interests (broad that they are) take me there in respect of `ancients' and the early dated silver coinage of europe...mainly French and German stuff for me, as the brit stuff is so f'n boring (IMHO). Here's a rather dark toned teston of Antoine de Lorraine dated 1527. I'd have posted these to a web site, but my ftp rpogram has decided that my trial period has run out and wants me to pay $65 for the priviledge of using them again. hence the jpeg's.
The French stuff i've seen strikes me as interesting, but i do mean the early deniers of the 10th and 11th centuries. The English stuff, well... i really like the hammered gold nobles and i think the gold florins were to die for, but the silver stuff after Edward I is a bit naff. I was thinking more along the lines of AEthelred II to Stephen myself, now i've gotta admit i find that period's coin fascinating, a little crude towards the end but the history behind them especially the Stephen stuff is quite fascinating, what with a civil war and what not. Talking of Stephen here's a penny minted sometime between 1136 and 1145... I like it, i like it!
personally, i only collect american error coins and buisness strikes, although i have a great deal of 1940's japaneese and european coins (as well as British gold)
jeffs aren't evil, how could you say that! licolns, on the other hand.............................are a whole 'nuther story!!!
Boy I sure am glad I don't go back as far as you two - yet at least While I have always enjoyed hammered coinage - I have for the most part preferred the later periods. That's the problem with this pursuit ( hobby just insn't a strong enough word for me ) - there's just so dang much interesting stuff to collect !
I know it took me a minute or three to see the portrait the first time in the coin shop, and the S of 'STEIFNE R' is still there, as for the reverse the letters '...CARD ON SCA...' which should be RICARD ON SCA or SCIFTE = Richard of Shaftesbury. Which is a rare mint, and the coin itself is a good en because you can just make out the mint, on 60 per cent + you can't make the mints out at all. I do like those, something else i also love about hammered coins is the way in which designs get copied from country to country, if you look at the reverse of the second one and then compare it to an English Groat they are of the same overall design. I'd hazard a guess that the French Gross? were of the same kind of style... (but i might be wrong cos i haven't seen any pictures of one for a while) And in response to GD's comments, i just love chasing these weird and hard coins to find! Half of the enjoyment of the hobby is in the thrill of the chase. Some collectors get the same thing from change searching, i am however not in a position to do that, so i go scouting through coin lists and shops for elusive coins! Syl.
Part of the reason that the coin designs from many countries were very similar is because the Royalty were all related to one another. This one was that one's brother or daughter. That one was this one's cousin or uncle etc etc.
What i always found, amusing and a tad odd is that one English king ruled more of France than the French king did! Which English king was on the throne at the same time as Louis VII? (I don't have dates at hand sadly?) Probably Richard I or someone...