Any opinions on this '99-D penny?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by onDvine, Feb 9, 2005.

  1. onDvine

    onDvine Member

    Lincoln's hair is distorted or flattened. I'm not sure if the forehead is, too, or not. Whatever happened made a slight difference in the appearance on the reverse, as well. It's pretty clearly off-center.
     

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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Damage again.
     
  4. onDvine

    onDvine Member

    I believe you, but can't help wondering how one damages a coin like that without damaging the material it's clad with.

    I gather it's off-centeredness is of no significance.

    Later or tomorrow, I'll put up a quarter I'm quite sure must be damaged, too, but not certain...the edges have a couple of flat spots that may be small clips, as you called them.

    I think there're other "potential" coins around the house...will post as I find. Again, thanks so much for your time. :)
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Damage such as you see here is often the result of someone trying to create another error. They take one ordinary coin and place it on top of another. Then they place a piece of leather over them and strike the leather with a hammer. The leather softens the blow enough so that the coins are not destroyed but yet the force is still such that the top coin imparts its own image onto the coin under it. This can result in a coin that appears to be a flip over strike or strongly clashed dies - errors the some will pay a premium for.

    But the coin on top - since it suffers the most pressure ends up with flattened details - damage much like you see on your coin. Now that's just a guess based on the pics - but it's an educated guess ;)

    And you are correct - the degree of off center is not enough to warrant any premium.
     
  6. onDvine

    onDvine Member

    Heck, if the folks who do that stuff would put as much effort into actually EARNING money, they'd get further...

    "Educated" is the one thing my guesses can't be called, so I really do appreciate the benefit of your guesses!
     
  7. lawdogct

    lawdogct Coin Collector


    could be a weak struck penny....which are common
     
  8. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    This coin is not damaged. It was struck through oil, grease, or a similar smooth, viscous fluid. The stuff often accumulates in the deepest recesses of the die face, which is why Lincoln's head looks flattened. The streaky appearance on the obverse and the reverse represents the original streakiness of the unstruck planchet. The fluid has no texture of its own, so manages to preserve the original surface texture of the planchet.
     
  9. onDvine

    onDvine Member

    I'm guessing it's still worth about a penny? I'd have to have something worth a significant number of dollars to consider it worth giving it up as a keepsake, anyhow...still it's nice to know.

    What amuses me most is that the two pennies I had the least expectations of are the only ones that actually came from their mints that way! :p
     
  10. JBK

    JBK Coin Collector

    I think I would have to disagree with the grease assessment. The weak areas on obv and reverse correspond to each other. If there were grease on the obv that should not affect the reverse. Plus, the flat head looks just that – flat. Grease (in my limited experience) does not look like this but rather has a contoured area, since the grease will flow as it sees fit. This looks too flat to me.

    Just my opinion.

    P.s. .- I strongly encourage people who are learning about errors to get some tools and spend an afternoon messing with some coins. Also, learn about the fine points of the minting process. With all of this experience, you will more easily understand why certain things are or are not a mint error. I spent some time drilling, hammering, etc. coins in my youth, and it was very helpful to me knowledge of coins.
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    Afraid I have to disagree - that is not a filled die error.
     
  12. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    The viscous fluid was on both faces, affecting areas of the design and the field. It can be rather patchy in its distribution. These sorts of strike-through errors are extremely common on zinc cents. In most cases, the extent of the affected area is modest. In extreme cases much of the design on one or both faces can be obliterated. The most commonly affected areas are the top of Lincoln's head and the base of his bust. It always looks flattened and always has that streaky appearance. But almost any area can be affected. It is helpful to understand that dies can be filled by a variety of materials, some coarse and some smooth. For reasons I don't quite understand, zinc cents are frequently coated and filled by this smooth fluid, which I suspect is oil. If you take a large sample of uncirculated or minimally circulated zinc cents, you will undoubtedly find similar-looking specimens.
     
  13. onDvine

    onDvine Member

    If only the coins could talk, huh? :D
     
  14. mikediamond

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  16. onDvine

    onDvine Member

    Both of those pictures show coins that appear dull. Is it relevant that the one in question is shiny, even in the affected area?
     
  17. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    It's all the same stuff, just different thicknesses and levels of coverage. Luster may vary, but the flattish design, the persistence of planchet streaks, and the weakening of peripheral design elements, all indicate the same material is involved. When coverage is heavy, the effective striking pressure is increased, and so the rim is very well struck and may be prolonged vertically into a "fin" as metal squeezes into the gap between die neck and collar.
     
  18. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    The coins vary in appearance as the result of the thickness and extent of coverage of the obstructing material. Luster may vary, but the flattish design, weakened peripheral design elements, and persistence of planchet streaks indicate it's all the same stuff. When coverage is heavy, effective striking pressure is increased, so you often end up with a very well-struck rim that may extend vertically into a "fin" as metal squeezes into the gap between die neck and collar.
     
  19. survivor

    survivor New Member

    flattened hair on lincolns head

    Here is a link to a 2000 D Lincoln
    cent that clearly shows the hair flattened, it is struck on a foriegn planchet of unknown type.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3957416188&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
     
  20. onDvine

    onDvine Member

    Looks very much the same doesn't it? A bit more off-center, and in a different direction. And pricey, too, though it doesn't look as if they got any bids!

    What does "struck on a foreign planchet of unknown type," MEAN?
     
  21. survivor

    survivor New Member

    the coin was made from a metal intended for another country. the type of metal and the country intended is unkown.
     
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