Any Experts out there on toning / rainbow Morgans? see pics

This 1921 toned Morgan is a deep strike uncirc gem, the colors on it are like a hologram on a credit card or back of a graded coin, I know this is NT and only want confirmation, I know last time I posted this coin, so many said it was ugly. and AT, to see it in person, it has bright cartwheel, and shimmering shining colors that are all satin or silver sulfur. must be some old collector out there that can help with this? looking at ebays rainbow Morgans so many in slabs that look fake, there just is no set pattern for these rainbow Morgans. highly reflective and hard to photograph. thanks!

 

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Help with what? It's not going to be a big money toner from your pictures and you've already gotten opinions last time you posted it. If you want confirmation send it in for grading, but your pictures show a coin with an undesirable look

 

In my less then expert opinion, that coin is artificially toned, and unattractive (sorry).

 

help from a old expert, whats it to u if I want to know once n for all if AT or NT? seeking out opinions with different photos than I posted last time. I know I can send it to be graded for confirmation. before I do that wanted input thanks for yours.

 

The photos are blurry. If you posted clearer pics, and straight on someone might be able to help. The plastic holder is also not helping.
Good luck! I hope you get the answers you are looking for.

 

What I was getting at is your post didn't sound like you were actually interested in hearing any opinions since you had said "I know this is NT and only want confirmation"

 

You really need to look at that site I mentioned in your other thread.

Just because a coin has color, doesn't make it;
1) attractive
2) valuable
3) desireable

Take a look at the gallery on that site to get an idea of the toning that would meet the 3 above criteria for a killer toned coin.

There's also a thread here about toned coin premiums. Lots of great (and not so great) examples in there.

 

The Morgan premium thread

 

@JOEinSTLOUIS, do you actually think there is such a thing as an "Expert" on toning? If it is raw and you like it, that's all that matters.

There are AT coins in slabs and NT coins that are rejected. Stick a photo up, and all you'll get are opinions - some even from folks who are pretty good at detecting AT. Nevertheless, whether it is truly AT or NT, until it is straight graded in a slab it is all opinions that don't add any additional value to your "gem."

 

Ive searched online exhaustively, and feel like a expert after all my research, and seems like old generation of coin collectors is no longer among us, and so many casual amateur collectors know it all. and quick to say its AT. Don't think thats possible for it to
have hologram shine and cartwheel spin if AT.

 

It is very possible for an AT coin to have, this hologram effect, and cartwheel luster. You can't base NT and AT on those characteristic's.

 

Hologram shine and cartwheel spin have nothing to do with whether or not it's AT or NT.

Your hologram and cartwheel are called "Luster", and it's a property of the metal after striking. AT/NT will typically not affect the luster of the coin, although it can conceal it if heavy and dark enough, or if the toning was done in a way to cause damage/alteration to the metal surface.

But what do we know, we're casual collectors here.

 

Thanks! that's just about the only useful resource out there, sites not been updated their e-mail link is dead, but great info there.

 

At coins can have that look. I do agree that there are a lot of people who call too many things AT or are to sure that something had to be AT but not in this case. Even if you throw out the AT or NT argument, the pictures you show just don't have the desired look nor do they look market acceptable. Maybe it looks better in hand or better color balanced pictures would change someones mind, but it doesn't appear to even be borderline from the pictures posted.

 

I beg to differ, a coin that has been polished, cleaned or chemically altered
can not retain its fresh from the mint cartwheel luster as this has, just not possible. the silver sulfur on this coin on all low points and magnified you can see sparkling satin like colors spreading throughout coin.

 

chemical additives to any coin, will take away cartwheel or pinwheel shine from coin. as will polishing with a rag or dipping dont believe me give it a try.will turn dark reflective and mirror like

 

You are confusing the point. A gem uncirculated coin can be AT, it has nothing to do with polishing or dipping the coin.

 

Dipping doesn't make a coin turn dark or take away the luster when done properly

 

desired look is subjective, not like this has a black eye sore spot on it. and this not like any of my other 1921 morgans, colors and pattern are unusual, from what Ive seen online many MS65 plus coins tend to rainbow more often like this.