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  1. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

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  3. Shortgapbob

    Shortgapbob Emerging Numismatist

    Looks like a beautiful, original coin with natural toning. I personally would never buy a coin like that sight unseen, because with a few hidden flaws that a picture will not show, I may view the coin as only a 67.
     
  4. codydude815

    codydude815 Wannabe coin dealer

  5. Shortgapbob

    Shortgapbob Emerging Numismatist

  6. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Don't you have to wonder where are of these wonderfully colored coins are suddenly coming from?

    Amazing designation: " MINT STATE 68 with the Highly Coveted *STAR designation. "
     
  7. SapperNurse

    SapperNurse DOD enhanced

    First post looked like it had been set too close to a heat source. The blueing that fades out to warmer colors shows where teh heat source was located. it could have been a safe too close to a fireplace or a safe that was involved in a house fire.

    Beautiful tone...better than the LSD Morgan........artifically natural? lol
     
  8. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    great line!
     
  9. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    they are both beautiful without being gaudy
     
  10. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Another coin for the PCGS collectors' listings. Otherwise it would sell for $25.
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    What makes say suddenly coming from ? Coins like this have been around for generations. The toning on them isn't something new.
     
  12. coinman101

    coinman101 Collector Of All Coins

  13. sumorada

    sumorada Senior Member

    i think the morgan is superb, as for the other coins shown,there is no comparison, and while i'm in no way an expert,and this is only my opinion,i think the other 2 are without a doubt in my opinion AT..............and yes i know they are slabbed,it's an opinion,..................
     
  14. clembo

    clembo A closed mind is no mind

    They are ALL purty coins no doubt.

    Where did they come from?

    Originally a U.S. Mint location then they were picked up by shrewd collectors who realized that an SGS body bag coin would probably be graded real high by no names such as PCGS and NGC.
     
  15. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    LMAO SGS body bag, they make those? I thought they were just MS-65's

    On the $900 Lincoln, yeah, buy it now *or make offer* , I tried that once on a $400 BIN NGC 64 Morgan/ I made a $85.00 ofer, it was accepted.
     
  16. Ed Goldman

    Ed Goldman coin collector

    You know what P.T. Barnum said...................
     
  17. Danr

    Danr Numismatist

  18. Danr

    Danr Numismatist

    I think he means how are they getting AT coins into PCGS holders.:hammer:
     
  19. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    Maybe someone is toning the coins AFTER they are entombed, I mean slabbed.

    Just my 2¢
     
  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    Without a doubt that has been done. Was it done with any of the coins in this thread - no, I don't think so. Coins with amazing vibrant colors are not just the work of a coin doctor - Mother Nature has created more than her share of masterpieces - far more than any coin doctor ever has.

    But as to how an AT coin gets into a PCGS or NGC holder - that's easy. It happens because of the very simple rule they use. In a nutshell, if the TPG has any dount about the toning on a coin being NT - they body bag it every single time. If they don't - they slab it. That's because there is no way to prove that toning is AT or NT. I've seen coin doctors that could make a coin any color or combination of colors that you want. And absolutely no one will be able to tell they did it. Happily there aren't very many of those people around.

    And that's the key in my opinion - if you can't tell the difference, then does it matter ?

    As for coins being toned in the slab - yeah that's possible too. It's possible for a coin doctor to do it - and it's possible for Mother Nature to do it ;)
     
  21. dctuttle

    dctuttle Member

    I think the first post, the MS68 dollar is real.

    I am highly suspicious about the other posts from the second E-bay seller for several reasons:

    1. The seller seems to have a large number of these outrageously toned coins.
    2. All of the coins from the seller are common dates or modern issues. (easy to aquire in authentic holders)
    3. If these were real, the seller could probably make much more $$$ selling directly to some high-powered collectors who like to specialize in toned coins.
    4. The toning on these coins just looks too good to be true.

    A very reputable dealer with whom I have worked for 20 years has told me that some doctors are able to carefully remove coins (usually cheap common dates in case something goes wrong) from PCGS/NGC slabs, work their doctor magic on the coins, then re-encapsulate in the original slab. Reportedly PCGS is aware of the problem and is working on a more tamper-proof slab. Fortunately there are not many individuals with the capability to pull this off successfully. Can't be sure that is going on in this case, but the old saying still holds true - buy the coin, not the slab, and - if it looks too good to be true, it probably is.
     
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