Another Sheldon Variety Question!!

SO I just picked up this coin, what was listed as a 1798, but I see 1797. I don't have the coin in my hands just yet, but I was wondering what Variety Has this large die crack? Or If it is simply PMD?

I can't find any information online about this particular die crack.


It seems very large. Any and all help is highly appreciated!

@Marshall You might know this one too haha

@Eduard I was told you also were an EAC guy if my memory is correct!

 

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It has style 2 hair (extra curl at shoulder) so that eliminates anything prior to 1798. I do not recall any die break like that o my initial reaction is PMD. A photo of the reverse always helps, but I'll see what I can do.

 

There's not enough there to distinguish between Obverses 21-34 which all have similar general appearances. I can eliminate a few, but most can't be eliminated.

 

Here is a photo of the reverse! @Marshall

 

Unfortunately the reverses are also similar and distinguishable mostly by subtle differences in stems and fraction bar differences absent distinguishable die breaks.

Once again I can eliminate some, but am left with too many possibilities for attribution.

Wear pattern suggests an early die state S-173, but without visible diagnostics obscured by corrosion, it remains just out of reach for attribution.

 

I have some more photos, not sure if they will help at all! I just want to thank you @Marshall You have me so interested in these coins!

 

Interesting, someone off of reddit had mentioned they have a draped bust on its way to NGC with this exact Die Crack, and he couldn't determine Variety either! Ill post an update whenever he gets it back.

 

Thanks for the photos. I can definitively say it is not S-173 because there is too much space between the outer leaf at (N)T and the central vine. Copper can spread closer to the central vine, but not further away.

 

If you can provide a link or a photo, it could help determine whether this is die break or PMD. If it is a die break, then the next step is to determine whether it is a later die stage/state of a known die or a new die.

We can make a leap and pretend a die break is established:

We can look at dies 21-34 in 1798 and 1 and 2 of 1799. These are the only possibilities among known dies.

Obverse 21

EXCLUDED because of die breaks through B and just right of Y to the center of the die just above the ear on Noyes Die State F of the S-167. There is no evidence of a break through L on it and the other cracks do not disappear.

 

Obverse 22

This looks like a very good candidate. The latest die state was it's use on the S-169. Though not mentioned in the written description, the Photo in Noyes Die State/Stage C 36184 shows a light die break from just below the JHF (Junction of Hair and Forehead) to just below the foot of Y to the rim and another from the tip of the nose to the rim.

While I can't be sure, I think I may be able to just make out a hint of a break from the JHF to the rim. The key die state marker of a crack from the crossbar of E to the rim is not discernible as either there are lacking.

 

Obverse 23

Also a very good candidate. The latest stage there also has a crack from the JHF to the bottom of Y. The only use is on S-170 which is paired with the same reverse as the one used on the S-169 above.

 

Obverse 24

EXCLUDED Rim CUD left of L with no hint of a break from L toward hair.

 

Obverse 25

EXCLUDED Rim Break above Y and to the right there before before Break through L. Not on subject.

 

Obverse 26

EXCLUDED Rim CUD above LIBERTY without any break through L.

 

Obverse 27

EXCLUDED No projection above 1 and 1 7 too wide.

 

Obverse 28

EXCLUDED No die break from bust into field.

 

Obverse 29

EXCLUDED Date wider than Obverse 29 and 9 not high.

 

Obverse 30

EXCLUDED E and R too far right from HWH and SHWH than Obverse 30.

 

Obverse 31

EXCLUDED E and R too far right from HWH and SHWH than Obverse 31.

 

Obverse 32

EXCLUDED IB not close as on Obverse 32.