Another scammer on eBay

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Dockwalliper, Oct 26, 2005.

  1. Dockwalliper

    Dockwalliper Coin Hoarder

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  3. GTOster

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    3 bids now
    You are right someone is not going to be happy
    Paul
     
  4. Daggarjon

    Daggarjon Supporter**

    who do you contact at Ebay to tell them about these types of scams??? :D
     
  5. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    >> Clicking here << will take you to the famous (or infamous for doing no good at all) Community Coin Watch reporting form. If you aren't currently signed in it will take you to the sign-in page first.

    I've reported many scams, complete with citations to readily available references and/or websites proving my claims, and only recall one incident where the auction was pulled.[​IMG]

    There have been rumors that this seller is an alternate ID for Pamela D*******, the seller from Savannah specializing in "estate sales", who has been NARU'd repeatedly from EBay and other auction sites, but always seems to come back.
     
  6. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    What makes it an obvious scam?

    Ruben
     
  7. zaneman

    zaneman Former Moderator

    I'd like to know the same thing.
     
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  9. Speedy

    Speedy Researching Coins Supporter

    To name a few....its from the Morgan Mint...and it says it plated in gold--it is not slabbed...and it doesn't show the back good...it is not in the packing from cheerios....

    Speedy
     
  10. zaneman

    zaneman Former Moderator

    Hi,
    I noticed the title for this coin is 2000 cherios sacagawea dollar. There has been a lot of publicity about specific coins that were inserted in a select few boxes of cheerios. However, this is not one, and seems to be fraudulently represented, and people are bidding over 50 dollars, when the coin is worth 1-2 dollars, as it is not from cheerios. I think it is egregiously unfair to the bidders to be forced to pay for an item they thought was something else. Here is an example of a real sacagawea dollar from cheerios.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/2000-Cheerios-S...ryZ11983QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

    I filed a complaint with ebay that said the above.
     
  11. zaneman

    zaneman Former Moderator

    Also, the user ID of the bidders is kept private, which would prevent anyone from warning them about what they are bidding on.
     
  12. Daggarjon

    Daggarjon Supporter**

    The ONLY way to find a cherrios dollar, is to A) have the original packing form the cereal box, or B) have it slabbed by a (reputible) TPG. If the dollar has been taken out of the original packing -- its worth $1
     
  13. Metalman

    Metalman New Member


    This is not exactly accurate, these Cherios Dollars are pattern pieces and can be Identified, as such!!

    It is likely that some percentage of these made there way into circulation, and the value would be dependant on the grade, without the original packaging. find one in circualtion have it certified and slabbed, its still a pattern and valued as such .

    Rick
     
  14. Dockwalliper

    Dockwalliper Coin Hoarder

    If it were a real Cheerios Sacky the seller would show an image of the reverse that would show it as such. This is a blatant attempt to decieve.
     
  15. Dockwalliper

    Dockwalliper Coin Hoarder

    This is also a case where the sellers 99.6% pos. feedback is deceptive.
    124 Negative or Neutral.
    Many"Buyer and seller mutually agreed to withdraw feedback for this item."
     
  16. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Yes it is an attempt to deceive.

    Speedy, get your facts right. The fact that it is not slabbed is immaterial and has no bearing on whether or not it is a scam. Likewise the fact that it is from the Morgan Mint is immaterial. Also at no point in the auction does it ever make the claim that it is gold plated. Either in the text or in the certificate of Authenticity. The only thing dishonest in this auction is the claim in the title that it is a cheerios dollar and then no evidence is given to support that claim. (For all we know it could be. There is no way to tell form fhe pictures if it is or isn't. Of course the overwhelming odds are that it isn't.)
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Small oooops there Conder - it does say it's gold plated. In the description -


    Description

    Item Specifics - US Coins
    Certification: Uncertified Method of Manufacture: Business Strike
    Mint: Philadelphia Condition: Uncirculated
    Material: gold plated clad
     
  18. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member


    Read it again. It says it is gold plated.
     
  19. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    You're right it does say that there. I never bother to look at that part of an auction description because it is almost always contains errors. I normally only pay attention to the written out description. I've gotten to the point where I don't even see that item description box. I didn't even realize that it was in that auction and I even went back to recheck the auction before I wrote my last comment.
     
  20. Speedy

    Speedy Researching Coins Supporter

    Conder101

    Yes but if any person had "cents" and wanted to sell it slabbing would be a must...it makes you wonder why they did have it graded...maybe because its not a real one...

    As for the gold plated--I'm sorry...I was reading the flip an dit says gold color...

    The Morgan Mint is a thing to look at...how many times have you seen a "Mint" sell real coins....I never have....Franklin mint makes all of theirs if I remember right....so there is a chance that this is a copy...

    Speedy
     
  21. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Quite frequently. The Morgan Mint is one of these questionable organizations that markets coins, real coins, to people at inflated prices similar to those seen on the cable and satelite coin shows. (and as I said earlier at one time they were even marketing silver eagles in counterfeit ICG shells. I know because I have one of the few that got out before I contacted ICG and they shut them down. The Morgan Mint was having the fake shells made in China. they weren't sellig them AS ICG certified coins, but the unique shape of the ICG shells make them distinctive almost like a trademark and ICG acted to protect that image recognition.) There's a National Federated Mint that is always discovering forgotten hoards of Morgan dollars. They tend to market by direct mail and in magazines The Washington Mint is big on oversized silver rounds that look like coins, but they have also been known to market state quarters including plated and colorized ones. And there are others. (The Franklin Mint has been out of the coin business for years. Which is a shame because they actually did a very good job making coins. The coins were usually well designed and well struck.)
     
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