Another forgery

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I know little about U.S. gold, but what is it that makes these Indian Head quarter eagles such a big target for counterfeiters? Is it just because it's more difficult for beginning collectors to detect inconsistencies in an incuse design?

 

Would you kindly help me understand how you've determined it a forgery? My wife and I looked at it against PCGS' Photograde and detected some inconsistencies with tips of the feathers in the headpiece and the eye of the eagle. Sadly, I do not own any of these, so I don't have anything to compare it with.

 

[QUOTE="Maybe we need a separate category within the Forums where we can report forgeries?[/QUOTE]

Maybe we should create a category where we teach people about forgeries and help them identify coins that look like it. It would be cool to have a photo database for when the ebay links cease to function.

 

@PeterTDavis

I think a separate section of threads titled "Numismatic Counterfeits and Forgeries" or something along those lines is a FANTASTIC idea. I am pretty sure the sites host-owner wouldn't mind the added site traffic from google searches this would inadvertently create. The only thing I can think of that could be a possible thorn in the bum is that some, and this 'some' is a very small number, of the people with listings being accused of something non-genuine may be very upset. But that seems like a very small percentage of scammers who duck and hide when the jig is up. And I don't know if there even is any legal consequences to the actual host-site for publishing these opinions. I dont think there is. Just playing devils advocate. But I would certainly support and encourage a numismatic awareness themed section.

 

It might be a good idea as long as each person in favor of it puts up, say, $1,000,000 on Peter's behalf for the lawsuits that will follow.

If you don't want to pay, then go play in someone else's sandbox.

Chris

 

I could see how that could be a problem.

 

I am pretty sure I referenced the possible, however minute it may be (in my opinion), possibility of headaches arising from creating this apparently controversial section.

So the only way to suggest a modification, change, etc, would be by ponying up $1M? Maybe I am wrong, but the little bit I found on our gracious host from a simple Google search indicated he is definitely open to suggestions. That would also be a contributing factor to his success I believe. Listening to your audience is key.

 

@Seattlite86 i went to NGCs coin explorer this morning and compared a 1927 2.50 Indian to the ebay listing...this was a great excessive. The date is the biggest giveaway here. On these 2.50 Indians the dates have inner lines in them...its the only way I can explain it...you have to see it to know. Along with the date the whole head dress detail is much sharper on a genuine coin, and on the obverse, again the lettering in the 2 1/2 dollars is a dead give away. FYI I'm no expert on these, but I am starting to expand my counterfeit detection skills because I will be bying these at some point in the future and I want to make sure I know a fake\forgery when I see it.

Here is the ngccoin link to the 1927 2.50 Indian head.

http://www.ngccoin.com/coin-explorer/indian-head-250-pscid-58/1927-25-ms-coinid-17951

Thanks @ToughCOINS , keep'em comin'. I learn every time you post one of these

 

What would be the difference if there was a dedicated section for 'potential counterfeits'? I thought the site owner is always responsible for the content?

 

I only report coins I understand and can see are forgeries. That "explanation" would say ALL gold dollars are forgeries. Pray tell what is it about THIS coin that tells you it is a forgery?

 

Why would anyone buy from a user with 0 feedback? That's proof enough for me.

 

Luckily you're not working as a DA or judge

 

At least the pics are good enough that you can tell it is a fake. It is a good enough fake to fool many, but to those that buy these all the time, this one is obvious.

 

Luckily I don't apply that same logic to any other scenario

 

By your logic, every ebay seller started off selling fakes.

 

One would have to be absolutely certain that a coin is counterfeit with much more than a simple "poorly crafted date" summary. Otherwise, there could be legal ramifications in blocking the sale or at the very minimum, minimizing the prices obtained in an auction listing.

If this were my forum, I would not "host" such a forum since opinions based upon photographs can often be incorrect.