Another cast bronze coin, let sleeping dogs lyre

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  1. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    I picked up my 3rd cast coin in the Tuder, Umbria series. This semis has a sleeping dog and a lyre. Info on this coin is shown below, but first some pics of the series. My pics of 2 of the 3 are not as good as the vendors (still learning how to shoot my new camera).
    Cast Semis TV164 dog BFA 7.17.16.jpg
    Semis, dog/lyre
    fly.jpg
    Sextans, fly/trident
    2.28.16a 015.JPG
    2.28.16a 022.JPG
    Uncia, 2 handed vase / spear head


    Info I normally put in a spreadsheet is below. I found 27 examples on line. Haberline listed over 100 examples.
    Country Umbria
    Type or era Cent Italy Cast
    Coin type AES Grave Semis, dog lyre
    Mint Umbria, Tuder
    Issued by Anon
    Mint Date, BC -220 to -200
    Weight, grams 36.37

    From internet examples
    Weight - max 45.73
    Weight - min 23.08
    Weight - avg 35.38
    Weight - st dev 6.03
    Number 27

    My coin
    Diameter - max 33.6
    Diameter - min 31.0

    From internet examples
    Diameter - max 35.0
    Diameter - min 29.0
    Diameter - avg 32.0
    Diameter - st dev 1.8


    Metal AE
    T&V 164 TV 158 is the same but larger and older
    Vecchi 223 V217 is the same but larger and older
    Syd AG 219 AG209 larger & older; Pl20 #4
    HNI 46 HNI 41 is the same but larger and older
    Haberline Pl 81, 23-26
    Garrrucci Pl LV, 9

    Grade gVF - my grade
    Grade VF - vendors grade
    Centering well centered
    Strike cast
    Flan flaws lettering weak or missing
    Style good style
    Patination dark brown tone
    Damage obv and rev have scrapes to metal
    Obverse sleeping dog
    Reverse lyre
    Obverse dog sleeping in coiled position, TVTEDE (Tuder) in retrograde above and C below
    Reverse Lyre, to right C
    Examples Haeberline 125
    Garrucci, Haberlin, Sydenham and T&V list an older series on the liberal standard (As = 256 grams or more). Haberline gave 5 examples of the heavier weight which averaged 118 grams. Haberline gave 128 examples of the reduced weight semis. The average after eliminating 14 damaged coins was 39.9 grams.
     

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  3. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    You almost need an imagination to figure out the pictures...
     
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  4. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Nice job! Wonderful capture, and it is fun to build a subset collection. Really cool!
     
  5. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I was able to figure them out without reading the attributes... But, like the @rrdenarius -man, I collect a few Aes Grave and are familiar with them. Just love those puppies!
     
  6. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    I really like the snoozing pup on your new semis. It's now in The List... always growing longer, never shorter.
     
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  7. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Cool post !!!

    I need to get at least one of those 'cast' types.....eventually;)
     
  8. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    That's one of my favorite depictions of a dog on a coin. Its rare for them to appear as the main type on an ancient coin. Here's a tessera I own with a head of a dog. It looks a little like a German shepherd, but its not a very flattering picture.

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    IONIA, Ephesos. 1st-3rd centuries AD
    PB Tessera (16mm, 2.83 g)
    Dog's head right
    Blank
    Gülbay & Kireç -​
     
  9. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    This should really be in the thread too:


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