Anonymous civic issues under Maximinus II (AD 310-313)

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  1. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

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  3. LaCointessa

    LaCointessa Well-Known Member

    @Valentinian - Your educational page on Maximinius II is very nice. I'll be spending time there. I have something I could post on this thread, but it's not photographed and, well..(yawn)

    Since I'm feeling too lazy to take photographs, perhaps I'll laze around with your pages for a spell. Thanks for posting them.
     
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  4. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    I think Doug has the set of these.

    Never got into them myself.
     
  5. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Great write-up at your link. I'll have to be on the look out for coins of this series.
     
  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Nice one @Valentinian. I have three examples of this issue
    Maximinus II 9.jpg
    MAXIMINUS II DAIA
    Quarter-Nummus
    OBVERSE: IOVI CONSERVATORI, Jupiter seated left holding globe & sceptre
    REVERSE: VICTORIA AVGG, Victory advancing left with wreath & palm, officina letter to right, ANT in ex.
    Struck at Antioch, 310-313 AD
    1.2g, 15mm
    Vagi 2955
    Maximinus II 5.jpg
    MAXIMINUS II DAIA
    Quarter-Nummus
    OBVERSE: GENIO ANTIOCHENI, Tyche of Antioch seated facing on rocks, turreted and veiled, stalks of grain in right, river-god Orontes swimming below
    REVERSE: APOLLONI SANCTO, Apollo standing left, patera in right, lyre in left. A in right field, mintmark SMA
    Struck at Antioch, 312 AD
    1.2g, 13mm
    Van Heesch 3, A
    Maximinus II 8.jpg
    MAXIMINUS II DAIA
    Quarter-Nummus
    OBVERSE: GENIO ANTIOCHENI, Tyche of Antioch seated facing on rocks, turreted and veiled, stalks of grain in right, river-god Orontes swimming below
    REVERSE: APOLLONI SANCTO, Apollo standing left, patera in right, lyre in left. S in right field, mintmark SMA
    Struck at Antioch, 312 AD
    1.2g, 13mm
    Van Heesch 3, A
     
  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Not quite. I need E with Jupiter and I with Apollo but am not inclined to pay the price I have seen them offered.

    Good! I don't need competition. Could I interest you in collecting NCLT from countries you can't find on a map or other things people who don't like ancients buy? I like it when people don't like what I collect! It keeps prices down. :joyful:

    My best:
    This aVF one shows detail in Apollo's dress; I really want to see one better. Few of these are detailed enough to grade over fine. This one was $6 from a Baltimore show 15 years ago when no one wanted them because they are not in RIC.
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    The more common rarity is the reversed mintmark AMS for SMA.
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    Less common (I have not seen another) is misspelled SANSTO:
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    The other common type is Jupiter/Victory with ANT mintmark.
    ru3740b02172lg.jpg

    There are several other types but all are rare to very rare. I only have one and it is not too nice. Alexandria mint with Serapis and Nilus:
    ru3700bb0667.jpg
     
  8. David@PCC

    David@PCC allcoinage.com

    I still have 2 to acquire from this series. This one was in my top 10 from last year.
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  9. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    That is an excellent example of a rarity, far excelling mine on my page. In his 1993 article van Heesch knew of only 4.
     
  10. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    i jumped of the wagon to pick this one up...

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  11. David@PCC

    David@PCC allcoinage.com

    Definitely not true these days, I have two myself.

    Unfortunately Clio collects these.
     
  12. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    PAGAN CIVIC RIVER GOD.jpg PAGAN CIVIC JOVE.jpg

    Here's how I described these coins in my notes. Corrections welcome:

    Thanks to the Christian persecutions organized by Emperors Diocletian, Galerius, and Maximinus Daia, the tensions between pagan and Christian in the early fourth century were quite high indeed. Christians, according to many Romans, were simply bad citizens. They refused to make the token offerings to the “genius” or protective spirit of the Roman emperor. They did not attend the Roman games and thus refused to participate in the larger life of the community. And by not honoring the gods of the Romans, Christians threatened to bring down divine wrath upon the more observant citizens of the empire. Thus it is that in 311 A.D., “representatives from Nicomedia presented themselves before Maximinus, bringing images of their gods and request[ing] that Christians not be allowed to live in their city. Late in 311, an embassy from Antioch, led by their curator Theotecnus, also requested permission to banish Christians from their city and its territory. Other cities followed with the same request” (Forum Ancient Coins). Maximinus Daia acceded to their demands, and it is believed that these two dime-sized civic coins were struck in Antioch with his approval; these would be among the last recognizably pagan coin types of the Roman Empire. One coin depicts the “Genius of Antioch”–Tyche of Antioch seated facing on rocks, turreted and veiled, with stalks of grain in right; the upper body of river-god Orontes is below, standing facing in waist deep water, arms outstretched. The reverse shows APOLLONI SANCTO; Apollo standing left holding patera and lyre. The other coin depicts “Jove the Preserver”; Jupiter seated left, globe in right, long scepter vertical behind in left. The reverse legend reads VICTOR-IA AVGG; Victory left, wreath in extended right, palm frond in left, Ɛ in right field. However, both politically and theologically, Maximinus seems to have backed the wrong horse. His forces were defeated by Constantine’s ally Licinius, and in 313 A.D. he died at the age of 43, either from illness or suicide.
     
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  13. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    I wish that I could show you one better. As is, I was pretty excited about this lil snackeroo that I picked up to lessen the mental blow of shipping from Europe from the last HOHN auction where I got my https://www.cointalk.com/threads/one-in-a-million-girl.331820/ coin from as well.
    I was very pleased with the Sandy "patina" but more specifically, some of the detail on the reverse (ie, Apollo's lyre).
    Here's mine (my pics vs theirs):

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    MaximinusDaia
    305 / 310-313 Follis 312,
    Antioch 1.75
    g. Pseudoautonomous
    coinage of Antiochia ad
    Orontem.
    Statue of the city
    deity Antioch on river god
    Orontes, GENIO
    ANTIOCHENI / Apollo stands
    with Lyra to the left,
    APPOLONI SANCTO,
    SMA. RIC - Kampmann -
    Belageste

    Have you had any luck finishing out the set Doug?
     
  14. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    I'm already spread too thin to really attempt a set, but I do have the one

    Maximinus ii antioch civic coin.jpg

    Nothing special, but it was inexpensive. Who can resist one of the last Pagan coins?
     
  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I still lack one but have stopped buying ugly coins and the couple I have seen have been rough. My set is just officinae of the two common types. The 'rel' set would be all the other rare types. In this thread David@PCC and I each showed one. They are not sold all that frequently.
     
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