Anglo-Gallic

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by +VGO.DVCKS, Jun 9, 2021.

  1. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    What nudged me to start this was revisiting a suggestion by @TheRed, in a thread where it obviously (and consensually) didn't belong. To quote his post:

    "Anglo-Gallic coins have a wide range varieties for some of the issues it makes it real exercise in fly specking. That is especially true for the coins of Edward III. Some of his issues are known by a handful of coins.

    "I'd love to see your examples, you should definitely post them to the forum. We need some Anglo-Gallic post on here. The FILI REGIS deniers are some of my favorite Anglo Gallic coins, they have such a great lion on the obverse."
    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancient-medieval-coins-canada-amcc-3.368777/page-2#post-4968867

    Here are the ones I have, apart from a Richard I which was posted elsewhere (with only mild hyperbole) the day before yesterday. (...I don't even know if Elias, for one, counted later issues of Calais as part of the series. --Although Duplessy does include them in his Monnaies Feodales.)
    COINS, FRANCE, HENRI II AQUITAINE, OBV..JPG
    COINS, FRANCE, HENRI II AQUITAINE, REV..JPG
    Duchy of Aquitaine. Henry II as Duke in right of Eleanor of Aquitaine, 1154-1189. Obv. +hENRICVS REX. Rev. +AQVI[/]TANI[/]E. Annulets to either side of the initial crosslet and terminal 'E'.
    (From here, this is Duplessy 1030.)
    ...Then, with apologies, here's the first and worse of my examples of the future Edward I as Duke. (Finally turned up, unlabelled, in one of my 'junk' files.)
    COINS, Aquitaine, Edward as Duke.jpg
    Edward as Duke, prior to his coronation, 1252-1272 (likely continued --my guess-- prior to his arrival back in England and formal investment in 1274).
    Obv. Lion (--promise you, theRed was right; it's a cool lion, when you can see it).
    Obv. (from 1 o'clock: ) +EDVVARD: F:ILI [...]
    Rev. (from 6 o'clock: ) [...] +h' REGIS ANGLIE (Duplessy 1037, variant: obverse stops are colons instead of the the quintessentially 13th-century " ' "s.)

    ...Since this is the best I've got, people are cordially invited to post any and all Anglo-Gallic you've got.
     
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  3. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    Gotta love some Anglo-Gallic coins!

    Med-05a-FAqu-1152-Henry II-D-2-1a.jpg French Feudal - Aquitaine
    Henry II, r. 1152-1168
    Bordeaux Mint, BL Denier, 16.57mm x 0.8 grams
    Obv.: +hENRICVS REX, cross pattée
    Rev.: º+º / AQVI / TANI / ºEº, in four lines
    Ref.: AGC 2 (1/a), Duplessy 1030, Roberts 3881, SCBC 8001, (Elias 1)
    Ex. R.D. Frederick Collection. Ex. A.H. Baldwin

    Med-05a-FAqu-1168-Richard I-O-6-1a.jpg
    French Feudal - Aquitaine
    Richard I, r. 1168-1185
    Bordeaux Mint, BL Obole, 14.20 mm x 0.40 grams
    Obv.: + / RICA / RDVS / ω, in four lines
    Rev.: +AQVITANIE, cross pattée
    Ref.: AGC 6 (1/a), Duplessy 1034, SCBC 8005, De Wit 400

    Med-05a-FAqu-1185-Eleanor-D-9B-1a.jpg
    French Feudal - Aquitaine
    Eleanor, r. 1185-1204
    AR Denier, 17.86mm x 0.8 grams
    Obv.: + DVCISIT, M above, A below, two cross pattee on either side
    Rev.: + AQVITANIE, Cross Pattee inside
    Ref.: AGC 9B (1/a), Duplessy 1025 (Anonymous of William X), Roberts 4313, SCBC 8011, De Wit 401
     
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  4. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    Those are two great coins @+VGO.DVCKS. thank you for sharing. I am really envious of your denier of Henry II. The denier of Edward I is also very nice, I have yet to add one to my collection. In the latest CNG eAuction I was bidding on one, but it quickly became too rich for my blood. The same goes for your denier of Henry II @FitzNigel it's a wonderful example.

    I'll add three of my Anglo Gallic coins: my least favorite (Henry II denier), most favorite (Edward the Black Prince hardi d'argent) and newest addition (Richard I denier of Aquitaine).
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  5. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Many thanks, @FitzNigel and @TheRed, for getting on this train!
    I've yet to find an example either of Eleanor or Richard for the duchy of Aquitaine. Those are fantastic.
    @TheRed, where envy is concerned, regarding your hardi of Edward the Black Prince, I'll cheerfully see you, and raise. Been idly trawling for one of those for a good few years. Yours is phenomenal.
    ...I especially like how Edward is shown as if he was pointing to the sword, while it's likelier to be a rendering, in the absence of three dimensions, of him pointing to his subjects in the duchy. As if to say, 'Mess with me, and Here's what might happen.'
     
  6. Nap

    Nap Well-Known Member

    My Anglo-Gallic Plantagenets:

    henry-ii-ag-1b.jpg
    Henry II


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    Eleanor


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    Richard I


    edward-i-ag-1a.jpg
    Edward I


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    Edward II


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    Edward III


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    Edward the Black Prince


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    Richard II
     
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  7. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Wow, @Nap, your maille blanche of Edward II as 'Dominus Hibernie,' replete with the clovers replacing the fleurs de lis along the reverse border, is pretty astounding. Once upon a time, I was looking for one of those. Your other ones are great, but that one really made me sit up. Liking the range of geographical references!
     
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  8. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    Thanks @+VGO.DVCKS for the very kind words. I picked it up a while back in a CNG Triton. Oddly enough, my electronic bid that was below estimate held up through live bidding. Here is another hardi from the mint at Figeac, a town I very much want to visit for the Champollion museum.
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    And as always @Nap you have wonderful coins. Your hardi of Richard is in wonderful condition, they don't come much better. The same of your denier of Richard.
     
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  9. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    @TheRed - I’m glad you were able to grab a Henry II! I know you had been after one of those (and I have admittedly been looking for one for you…)
     
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