Ancients => Mini Bee => my new smallest ancient coin

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by stevex6, Jan 29, 2014.

  1. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    This lil' honey is now my smallest ancient coin ...

    => 5 mm & 0.17 grams

    bzzzzzzzzzzzz


    IONIA, Ephesos, AR Tetartemorion
    Circa 500-420 BC
    Diameter: 5 mm
    Weight: 0.17 grams
    Obverse: Bee
    Reverse: Head of eagle right within incuse square
    Reference: Karwiese Series IV; SNG Kayhan 126–34
    Other: 12h … toned, Exceptional for issue



    Ionia Ephesos Tetartemorion a.jpg Ionia Ephesos Tetartemorion b.jpg

    ... pretty fricken cool, eh?

    => please feel free to post any relevant coins!! (Bees, Ephesos, etc)

    Cheers
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice pickup. Still need a bee coin too.
     
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  4. vlaha

    vlaha Respect. The. Hat.

    I've heard that these things always have one or two of these problems:
    1. A weak strike.
    2. A small flan.
    3. An off center design.

    When one of them doesn't, the price goes uuuuup!

    I like it!:D
     
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  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Once again you've outdone yourself lil bro. Outstanding coin!
     
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  6. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    "Go big small or go home". :D

    Nice one, Steve!
     
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  7. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Great pickup Steve!
     
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  8. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    Steve what a awesom coin...details off the chart, you can even see the stinger...way cool...
     
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  9. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Exceptional! The obverse is nice but the reverse is really nice with that bold legend. The tiny stuff does not always have room for letters. Just to be technical, you should give two measurements on a coin that ovoid. Kayhan has photos of nine of these of which I'd call one about equal to yours. The others are inferior. If you are going to collect the little stuff, Kayhan (SNG Turkey 1) is a worthwhile book. Looking at the overall Ephesos page will put some things on your want list that you may never find including a super early EL with the double square reverse like we see on the lion/bull Croesids but with the bee obverse. Rosen (I believe I have recommended that book before) has one also but I never will.
     
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  10. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Fantastic, Steve. One word of advice from experience: don't drop it!
     
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  11. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    => yah, I hear ya ... if my dog accidentally eats this wee lil' coin, it may be too small to salvage later during a backyard scavenger-hunt!!
     
  12. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Thanks for all of the positive coin-comments, gang ...

    => I totally agree => I love this lil baby!! (it's very cool)
     
  13. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    As John Anthony pointed out, dropping the coin could be a problem in more than one way. Obviously shag carpet (something we had in 1970 for the young among us) could eat a coin this size but the worrisome part to me is that the coin (and most coins of that period and region) has a crystallized texture which creates dotted lines on which coins can break. Not only would I not drop it on a hard surface but I would not press hard on it or sandwich it in a stack of 102 coins in a 100 coin box.
     
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  14. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    => sadly, I know this to be true ... for this poor ol' octopus coin doesn't look quite as "complete" nowadays (*sigh*)

    syracuse octopus.jpg

    => it got damaged on its journey to David Sears' farm (he stated that it arrived in that condition, so it must have been damaged in the journey from the North Pole to his California Ranch)
     
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  15. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Okay => I asked you charmin' blokes to show-off your good ol' Ephesos-Bee-coins, but nobody manned-up, so I'm gonna show-off a couple of my own ...

    IONIA - EPHESOS - AR DRACHM
    202-133 B.C.
    Diameter: 17
    Weight: 3.2 grams
    Obverse: E-Φ; bee
    Reverse: BIANΩP; stag standing left, palm tree in the background
    Other: very fine; scrape mark on reverse


    ionia ephesos a.jpg
    ionia ephesos b.jpg




    IONIA, Ephesos, Æ19
    Uncertain magistrate
    Late 2nd-early 1st century BC
    Diameter: 19 mm
    Weight: 3.71 grams
    Obverse: Bee in wreath
    Reverse: Stag standing right; palm tree in background, monogram (faint) to right
    Reference: SNG Copenhagen 299-303
    Other: 12h … nice green patina.
    From the JMG Collection


    Ionia esphesos AE Bee & Stag a.jpg
    Ionia esphesos AE Bee & Stag b.jpg



    => again => please join-in, my awesome coin-comrades!!
     
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  16. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Noone wants to compete with your little beauty. Most people would consider my offering a small coin at just over 1 gram but it is many multiples of yours. Perhaps you know I am not terrible fond of using the coin names like diobol for mine or tetartemorion for yours because we are not certain of what standard was being followed but I suspect that my coin is about 8 times yours. Kayhan calls mine a Rhodian standard diobol and yours either a Milesian 1/64 stater or a Persic 1/48. The half century between the two seems to have had a currency reform but I am far from up on this matter.
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    I know even less about the little bronze or the countermark it bears.
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  17. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    awesome coins!! (*sweet*)

    => thanks for posting (so very cool)
     
  18. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Yah, before this new coin, my smallest coin was another fairly new purchase ...

    ISLANDS off THRACE, Thasos
    AR Sixteenth Stater – Hemiobol

    Circa 500-480 BC
    Diameter: 8 mm
    Weight: 0.56 grams
    Obverse: Two dolphins swimming in opposite directions; pellets around
    Reverse: Quadripartite incuse square
    Reference: Le Rider, Thasiennes 9; HGC 6, 337
    Other: toned, light porosity



    Islands Off Thrace Thasos Hemiobol a.jpg Islands Off Thrace Thasos Hemiobol b.jpg



    => please fell free to post your wee ones ... people never get tired of seeing sweet coins!! (ummm, who else is gonna look at 'em except for us coin-geeks??!!)

    => Bring 'em!!
     
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  19. Whizb4ng

    Whizb4ng HIC SVNT DRACONES

    Tiny but packs a punch. Awesome coin Steve!

    I have been sitting here trying to think of relevant bee puns for longer than I care to admit but came up with nothing hilarious.
     
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  20. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    What a honey, Steve... a coin you can really bee proud of!

    Darn it, Whizb4ng, now I've gone and used up my corny pun quota for the day.
     
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  21. TJC

    TJC Well-Known Member

    Steve, great coin!!!!
    I have an Ephesos but I still need to get pics.
    I will have to share it latter:)
     
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