Ancients => King Rat => RRR => Roman Republic Rodent!!

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  1. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Well, as you've probably noticed => I'm not the most scholarly Ancient coin collector ... but I do know my small, furry friends!!

    => I love collecting ancient coins with animals on 'em ... and some animals are fairly common (lions, eagles, horses, bulls, owls, etc) ... but some of our furry lil' friends are a bit more rare ...

    => and some are fricken super hard to find!! ... kinda like the common, household "RAT"!!

    Yup, I just snagged my first rat-coin!! (and it is certainly tickin' a whole lotta other cool boxes!!)

    => animal coin (tick) ... rats and even a couple of horses tossed-in for style points!!

    => RR (tick) ... Bing and I love the good ol' Roman Republic silver coins!! (they're sweet)

    => weapons (tick) ... yup, nuthin' like Herc and his mighty club, eh? (a classic!!)

    ENJOY!!

    GENS QUINCTIA. Ti Quinctius AR Denarius
    112-111 bC
    Diameter: 16.5 mm
    Weight: 4.0 grams
    Obverse: Bust of Hercules left, wearing lion's skin headdress, club over shoulder
    Reverse: Desultor, on horseback, left, a second horse beside, K behind, TI Q and rat below. D dot S dot S, incuse on tablet, in exergue
    Reference: Crawford 297/1b. South of Italy mint
    Other: VF+/EF SCARCE!

    Gens Quictia Rat a.jpg Gens Quictia Rat b.jpg



    => Squeeeeeeaaakkkkkk!!!
     
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  3. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    That's great, lol. Why the hell a rat??
     
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  4. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    I kinda want one :D
     
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  5. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    ahaha ... I know, eh?

    => well, apparently the rat must not have been deemed "cool enough" to be on any/many coins!!? (and from the stories that I've heard about the good ol' ancient days, I'm pretty sure that the common garbage-eating, plague-spreading rat was probably a pretty standard household pet!!)

    ... but nope, "rats on coins" is a very, "very" uncommon occurence ... kinda cool, considering I just bought myself a sweet rat-coin, eh?!!

    ;)
     
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  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Really????

    Excellent coin my lil buddy. Downright in the sewer (that's a good thing here). I was watching a RR coin a couple of days ago with a rat. Not this coin, but another. Funny. As you say, you don't see them often. Congrats!
     
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  7. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I'm just wondering why they put a rat on the coin. Are the horses rearing because of the rat? Or are they trampling it? The rat has to mean something.
     
  8. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    I was looking at an Indian Coin with a Rat.:rolleyes:
     
  9. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    The type refers to some public games. It was in the Ludi Apollinares that contests took place in which a rider raced with two horses vaulting from one to the other.

    The key here is The Ludi Apollinares. They were games which were first organized in 212 BC, when C. Sulla was Praetor. Initially a vow was made to hold them only once.There is some discussion as to who officially made them annual games.
    One version of events proposes that L. Varus, the praetor urbanus at the time, renewed this vow and celebrated them again in 210 BC. They were made an annual festival by a law in 208 BC by L. Varus, who was then curule aedile. A severe plague in 208 BC may have prompted the Senate to make them permanent, in honor of Apollo, who they regarded as a god of healing. From this day on, they were celebrated on July 13 and eventually grew to last 8 or 9 days.

    I am surmising here that the rat refers to this plague. I may be wrong as I'm not certain the Romans knew the rodents spread the disease.
     
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  10. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Wow Bing, that is a very interesting/compelling hypothesis ... I like it ( a lot!!)

    ... that sounds like one of those games where my Mom woulda said => "Hey, it's all fun, until somebody gets hurt!!"

    ;)
     
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  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

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    Yours is nicer than mine but "Other: VF+/EF SCARCE!" is ridiculous. Note that the rat can face left or right. What happened under your horse. Where is the horse's front leg? I have no idea why there is a rat.
     
  12. Ripley

    Ripley Senior Member

    Neat a rat !!!! I think it would be a good name for a New York City sports team.
    Yep, the New York Rats !!!! :confused:
    [​IMG]
     
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  13. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    ahahaha => man, I love it when you respond to my coins ...

    yah, I don't think that my coin is as good, or better than your coin (I like a lot of things about your coin better than my coin) ...

    Ummm however, that is not even something that we should be squabbling about, right?

    => Dude, we both have "Rat-Coins" and they're rare and they rock!!

    => Unite, brother Doug ... unite!!

    ;)
     
  14. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    While I like your coin, I do not like dealers or anyone to attach grading labels two grades above reasonable levels. There are dealers out there that never sell a coin less than VF even though most of their stock is F at best.
     
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  15. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Oh my god => I never look at the grading!! (it's always a dog eat dog, versus other known coins!!) ... I'm not a simp!!

    ... ummm, does anybody ever look at the grading? (well, other than the modern dudes!! ... oh, and I love you guys!!)
     
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  16. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Well, I don't care what somebody else grades the coin, if that's what you're asking. But I am very aware of what I perceive to be the grade, and it doesn't have anything to do with any purportedly standardized grading system. It has more to do with overall eye-appeal and affordability. In other words: does the coin appeal to me for the price?

    But you guys know what I collect - more often than not, I could care less what a coin looks like if it presents some mystery and magic.
     
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  17. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Maybe the coin was struck thru rat poop?
     
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  18. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Have to admit I have never seen an ancient with a rat. I have never LOOKED, but also willsay never have seen. :)

    Very interesting coin man!
     
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  19. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    RATS...i worked in rat city, a small city west Seattle, anyone from around here knows this town..:eek:...the Rats were as big as Cats...:D
     
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  20. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    a rat, i'll be darned...how cool.
     
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  21. kolyan760

    kolyan760 Well-Known Member

    here is my rat m9PGQ1TKUvZxFQdiT8T8lkQ.jpg 411585o.jpg m9PGQ1TKUvZxFQdiT8T8lkQ.jpg 411585o.jpg chinese-new-year-symbols-RatCoin.jpg Didrachm_Sicyon_380BC_obverse_CdM_Paris.jpg images.jpg m9PGQ1TKUvZxFQdiT8T8lkQ.jpg mAL7fBskMz1f645z72Mg5CQ.jpg mJdm7AZGnb0078KdW5_VWWQ.jpg muv7fNNp96_rN6vtepT252w.jpg mytuzjOeEx2-WXEYUXPEjrQ.jpg
     
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