[ancients] Interesting Antoninus Pius Alexandrian drachm

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  1. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    This one had me puzzled because I didn't know that coins this size could be called drachms... I was searching for a sestertius :oops:

    Another overcleaned and corroded but interesting coin from the TIF's Folly mixed lot.

    AntoninusPiusSestSML42Med.jpg

    33 mm, 23.3 gm.

    Here's the attribution, lifted from a similar coin in CNG's archives. The date of mine can't be confirmed due to the condition. http://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=167724

    EGYPT, Alexandria. Antoninus Pius. AD 138-161. Æ Drachm (33mm, 29.85 g, 12h). Dated RY 10 (AD 146/7). Laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust right, seen from behind / Isis seated right, suckling the child Horus (Harpocrates); L ΔЄKATOV (date) around. Köln 1548; Dattari (Savio) 2649; K&G 35.357. Near VF, rough brown surfaces.

    From Collection CR.

    Following Alexander’s conquest of Egypt, the cult of Isis spread across the Mediterranean, with its popularity reaching its zenith in the Roman period, when the “goddess of a thousand names” became one of the Mediterranean’s principle deities. It is generally assumed that the iconography of Isis nursing Harpocrates influenced Christian representations of the Madonna and Child, particularly the Virgo lactans type popular in Medieval Europe.
     
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  3. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Another Super addition from TIF's Treasure-chest!! (good snag)

    I have a couple of ol' Alexandria Drachms as well ...

    EGYPT, Alexandria. Antoninus Pius Æ Drachm

    AD 138-161
    Dated RY 7 (AD 143/4)
    Diameter: 34 mm
    Weight: 23.02 grams
    Obverse: Laureate head right
    Reverse: Nilus reclining left, holding reed and cornucopia from which emerges a Genius; crocodile below; L Z (date) to left, Iς above
    Reference: Köln 1449; Dattari (Savio) 2747; K&G 35.217
    Other: 12h … attractive blue-green patina, edge split
    Ex Greenpoint Collection (acquired from Ralph DeMarco)
    Antoninus Pius Croc a.jpg
    Antoninus Pius Croc b.jpg

    Marcus Aurelius AE Drachma

    ALEXANDRIA, EGYPT
    AD 161-180 (struck AD 150/151)
    Diameter: 31.9 mm
    Weight: 15.66 grams
    Obverse: Laureate head of Marcus Aurelius right
    Reverse: Female “griffine” seated right, left paw on wheel, across field regional year ( 14 = AD 150/51 )
    Reference: Dattari 3224, Emmett 1866 (Rarity 3)
    Other: Good fine … 12h
    NOTE => Ex James E. Seaver collection


    Marcus Griffin a.jpg
    Marcus Griffin b.jpg
     
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  4. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    TIF => I really like the reverse on your new fat/phat drachm

    => Isis seated right, suckling the child Horus (sweet)
     
  5. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Thanks, Steve. It's charming, isn't it?

    It was so funny when I was maniacally searching for it this morning. I was looking in Roman Imperial guides like ERIC and coming up blank. Duh. Provincial.

    I'd seen pictures of yours and others before but didn't realize they were so BIG, sestertius-sized.

    Speaking of nomenclature, why are those Alexandrian coins I posted yesterday (the dozen) called "tetradrachms" and these monsters called "drachms"? Seems like it should be the other way around, or the 30+mms should be called [googling the prefix for quadrupled tetra] hexakaidecadrachms. Or maybe just doubled, octadrachm.
     
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  6. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    => Megadrachms!!

    ... or maybe Überdrachms!!
     
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  7. vlaha

    vlaha Respect. The. Hat.

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  8. willieboyd2

    willieboyd2 First Class Poster

    I have one of these also:

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    Antoninus Pius Provincial Bronze Drachm Alexandria Sphinx

    Obverse:
    Laureate head left
    AYT K T AIΛ AΔP ANTWNINOC CEB EYC
    (Augustus Caesar Antoninus Augustus Pius)
    Reverse:
    Sphinx seated right, wings raised, left forepaw on wheel, modius on head
    L IZ (year 17)

    Metal: Bronze
    Size: 33mm
    Weight: 19.60gm
    Catalog: Milne 2249
    Struck: AD 153-154 Alexandria Egypt

    Looks like the same design was used for the sphinx on my coin and stevex6's "griffine",
    except for the figure's head.

    :)
     
  9. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    yeeehaaa => that's a sweet lookin' sphinx, willieboyd2 (super coin!!)


    ... huh, and it's a cool left-facing bust as well (that's bonus points, brother!!)
     
  10. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    drach 'm if you got 'em!

    don't have one from Alexandria....:(
    but i have a little more cash to spend for i go back on the wagon.....:rolleyes: hmmmmmmm..
     
  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Bronze drachms of the time of Pius are large to be worth 1/4 of the smaller tetradrachms made of lower grade silver than was use in denarii but that were heavy enough to make the value. The tetradrachms you have seen here before were over a century later and had much less silver not to mention smaller size.
    Below are matching tetradrachm (13.0g) and drachm (20.7g) of Pius. The tetradrachm is twice as thick but smaller diameter and has enough silver to be gray in color.
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    There are also smaller bronzes like this obol (1/6 drachm, I assume) at 4.8g. It strikes me that, on average, smaller coins weigh a bit more than they should even if you allow for the wear difference and Alexandrian bronzes are often well worn.
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  12. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Oh, right. I forgot that those tetradrachms are billion rather than bronze. :oops:
     
  13. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    This type seems to be a little pricey, good details, overall a winner...:)
     
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