Ancients => IND0-SKYTHIANS => wha? ... who are those dudes?

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  1. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Yah, this pretty AR example kinda caught my eye ... I do already own an AE example from these fellas, but this simple, lil' silver-dawg just seemed to be callin' out to me!!

    => "stevex6 ... are you my real Daddy?"

    "yes I am, Azes ... yes I am"

    INDO-SKYTHIANS. Azes. AR Tetradrachm
    Circa 58-12 BC
    Diameter: 27 mm
    Weight: 9.32 grams
    Obverse: King on horseback right, holding spear
    Reverse: Zeus standing slightly left, holding thunderbolt and scepter; monogram to lower left, Bha to right
    Reference: Senior 80.10T
    Other: 12h … toned, granular surfaces




    Indo-Skythians Azes AR Tet a.jpg Indo-Skythians Azes AR Tet b.jpg
     
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  3. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    The skythians are indigenous to central asia. Approximately modern day southern russia. Before the Kushans arrived, a group of them had attacked and conquered Bactria, (the central asian remnant of Alexander's empire). The Yueh chi, (later to be named Kushans), invaded the area from NW China about 100 years later, and pushed the Skythians into "India". Hence the "Indo" name. Remember India used to include modern day Pakistan, and this is where this coin was most likely struck.

    Helpful?
     
  4. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Oh yah => that's very helpful!! ... thank you, medoraman (I like you)

    Cheers, brother!!
     
  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Nice details my lil coin brother.
     
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  6. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Oh, and I haven't really touched-base with you lately ...

    => I like brother => I hope that you and your chick have a great season!!

    sadly, for the record => it is -37 celsius at the moment!! .... my truck doesn't want to start and my dogs don't wanna piss outside!! (yup, tis the season to be chilly!!)

    Cheers
     
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  7. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

    For comparison another one.
    Senior believes there only was one Azes. According to others there were two. Your horserider with the spear is traditionally attributed to Azes I. The one i show here, holding a whip, is usually attributed to Azes II (35-12 BC). AzesIITetraSmall.jpg
    This Tetradrachm shows Athena Facing right.
     
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  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    og1400bb2860.jpg

    My Azes tet is a little different wit Poseidon in place of Zeus and different field marks.
     
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  9. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Wooo doggy, those are some purdy coins, fellas ...

    Yup, as I stated before, I also have an AE-example
    => so here it is ...



    Indo-Scythian Kings - Azes a.jpg Indo-Scythian Kings - Azes b.jpg
     
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  10. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Again ... sorry that I haven't been paying too much attention to this coin-thread ...

    => please tack-on any of your coin-photos (I love seeing your stuff!!)
     
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  11. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    Fell off the wagon Steve, i think we should set that dang wagon on fire and buy more coins..:eek:
    Oh my bad, great lookin' coin, my frozen friend..
     
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  12. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Don't set it on fire just yet. I'm still on it.
     
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  13. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Hey Bing => man, I'm very sorry that I lept-off of the wagon and left you stranded by yourself (but the way that things have been goin' lately, I'm pretty sure that somebody else will be pulling themselves up to keep you company!!)


    Cheers!!
     
  14. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    I really love the Indo-Scythian coins. I have the sasme Azes II as Doug with the Neptune reverse.

    I have several Yu-zhi coins, although I dont have pictures on my work computer, so ya'll gonna have to wait, unfortunetly.

    There is a school of thought that claims that the Indo Scythians were branch of Saka. Saka is gernally accepted as a blanket term for outsider or forigner similar to that of Hun. It is thought that the Indo Scythians might be ancestors of the Western Satraps, who refered to themselves as Saka. They even established a Saka Era beinging in 78 AD,l started sometime during the reign of Nahapana. That calender I believe is still in use in parts of India. I am not sure how true or how false the theory is but its a theory non-the-less. It would be pretty neet that these Iranic, Greekish people would be come a dominate empire in India for the next 400 or so years.
     
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  15. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Oh and well played steve. A fabulous example.
     
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  16. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    I suppose we will burn together my friend.
     
  17. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Yes, its pretty accepted the Skythians were the western satraps. There was northern and western satrapies, but the northern one fell much earlier. The western one continued for quite some time.

    It was weird, but I picked up a coin from a world dealer I didn't know what it was but it was somewhat familiar. It ended up being a very early western satrap coin. Much higher quality than the later one you see so commonly. I will try to get a pic.
     
  18. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    20131029_NahapanaC_opt_opt.jpg Nahapana 75 AD
    Trilingual AR Karashapana
    Kshaharatas of Saurashtra
    21 mm x 2.53 grams
    Early Western Satraps.
    There is also a school of thought that indicates that these coins are infact recoined RR and Julio-Claudian Denari that made it into India. WOW!
     
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  19. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Yep, that is it AN. I would say mine has a better artisitic portrait though, no offense meant to your coin. Fantastic reverse, better than mine.
     
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  20. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Sweet lookin' coins, my Indo-Skythian coin-comrades!!
     
  21. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    that's a super one stevex, super details one that one...interesting how they did the thunderbolt.

    but what is the "Bha"? a little lighting bolt? google's first hit is "Butylated hydroxyanisole"...I doubt if that's it.
     
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