Ancients - Implements of Coin Making

About 14-15 months ago I purchased a T Carisius Roman Republican Denarius which I presented here on CT. It certainly is not in the best of condition even though I paid more than I would normally just because of the reverse. I have since been watching for one in better condition at more of a "Bing" price. Well, I found one at my price, but perhaps not in any better condition. I'll let you be the judge. The first coin is the one I purchased last year from CNG and the second is one I purchased about a week ago in a private sale for much less than half the original coin when auction fees and shipping are factored into the equation:


T. CARISIUS ROMAN REPUBLIC AR Denarius
OBVERSE: Head of Juno Moneta right, slight drapery
REVERSE: Implements for coining money: anvil die with garlanded punch die above; tongs and hammer on either side; all within wreath
Rome 46 BC
Crawford 464/2; CRI 70; Sydenham 982a; Carisia 1a

 

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Reminds me of a much later Carolingian coin type under Emperor Louis the Pious (Charlemagne's son) that also depicts coin minting implements:

 

you new one has some nicer lookin' implements on it. very cool coin, what an awesome reverse!

cool coin also VK!

 

I only own that coin in my dreams lol, thanks anyways chrsmat

 

Great addition. I almost got that exact one, but opted for something else .

One day I will get one, same with the Vulcan/Valerian when the time is right.

 

This is a cool type, and cool adittion

 

Fascinating type I'd like to own one day. I much prefer the second coin with the better reverse. I also prefer the more regular flan.

 

I'm not sure which one I like better? ... unlike the rest of the gang, I think I prefer the first example (I like the portrait a bit better, plus I like the wreath on the reverse of the first example) ... however, both coins are cool (congrats on the Bargain-Basement-Bing price)

Cheers

 

I think both coins have pluses and minuses. As steve points out the better parts of the first coin, the implements on the reverse of the second coin are better defined. Plus, the first coin weighs in at a hefty 3.49g, while the second is a mere 2.73g. Too bad I can't combine the two.

 

I hate to be the one....
The new Carisius is a cast fake. I bought one a couple years ago and returned it when a duplicate showed up. Search all the fake resources and you will find others.


Windchild was right here:
https://www.cointalk.com/threads/roman-coin-with-only-info-47bc.232981/#post-1749276

Ardatirion outted this one:
https://www.cointalk.com/threads/another-roman-coin.42168/#post-437364

Mine:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-15145


Your old one strikes me as best of all because it is real.

 

Well I'll be. Thanks Doug. I can and will return it.

 

Gosh, that could've fooled me...
Damn, it did!

 

Damn, that does suck. Considering I know which dealer he got it from. Well at least JW can get a refund.

 

Yeah, it's not a problem getting the refund. All ready talked to the seller who has agreed to refund. However, this is embarrassing. Every so often I get lax and do not research as I should. In hind sight, I remember the conversations Doug linked, so I should have known better.

 

Ive been stung too, but thankfully I have gotten refunds in all cases.

 

oh man...i never would have guessed it either. well, i'm glad your getting your money back bing.

 

I'm late to the game, here i was going to say awesome, as i read down, what a bummer, sorry it was fake, it's a good reminder that we need to take another look.

 

I hate to revive an old thread but I didn't feel it was worth starting a new thread to post this. I've found another example of this exact cast being sold and thought I'd share. I've contacted the seller with evidence but have not heard back yet, nor has it been unlisted. And of course, it's been added to FORVM's fake reports

 

good eye, red_spork ........ you've prevented Bing from trying to buy it again!!

 

I saw one at Baltimore as well. Anyone in the market for this popular coin really needs to memorize the characteristics of the fake.