'ancient' Wheres Tia????

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by YOC, Dec 4, 2013.

  1. YOC

    YOC Well-Known Member

    I have just acquired this Florianus which I paid £25 for....it was covered in green deposits and I cleaned it sympathetically. But.........oddly the TIA is missing? I know there is a rough patch, where some minor green deposits were where the TIA should be and the A can be seen faintly, but all other letters are very clear? odd one. There is no suggestion of mounting as the coin was in hoard found state.
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  3. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Nice example of a less-common emperor! What is the die axis?
     
  4. YOC

    YOC Well-Known Member

    180 degrees
     
  5. YOC

    YOC Well-Known Member

    pics with less light if it helps... tiny coins 007.JPG tiny coins 008.JPG
     
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  6. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    The reason I ask is that I see some roughness at the bottom of the bust that suggests the flan was not smoothed due to a weak strike in that area. The axis makes sense to propose at least a weak strike, but there may be other factors.
     
  7. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Huh? ...

    Well, there may have been some sort of repair done in that area ... hmmm, that is odd, eh? (oh, but that certainly is a nice new coin though => congrats!!)


    I only own one Florianus coin ...

    Florianus - Antoninianus
    276 AD
    Diameter: 24 mm
    Weight: 4.2 grams
    Obverse: IMP CM ANN FLORINVS AVG; draped, cuirassed and radiate bust right
    Reverse: PRO-VIDEN D-EOR /KA G; Providentia holding two standards and Sol holding globe, standing vis-a-vis, star between them
    Reference: RIC 114
    Other: rare legend => Antoniniani with the full family name (in german its gentiliz, can't find the proper english translation) ANNIVS are more rare than those with the legend IMP C FLORIANVS AVG or IMP C M AN FLORIANVS P AVG


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  8. YOC

    YOC Well-Known Member

    certainly no modern repair.....it was in hoard found state, ie. green residue when I acquired it. Possibly a weak strike on that edge as JA suggests, but the beading at the die edge is still raised, so I am not sure.
     
  9. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The area on the obverse that backed up the TIA region is equally devoid of detail suggesting the coin was struck unevenly. You have a good strong ear and crown but no detail in the drapery on the bust. Is the flan very thin in that part? Letters sometimes disappear due to a filled die (junk in the die preventing striking) but being on both sides makes me suspect either a thin spot on the flan or an uneven strike.
     
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  10. YOC

    YOC Well-Known Member

    Not thin Doug, but I suspect an uneven strike was the culprit from what JA and you have to say. Lack of detail in the drapery is certainly very obvious on an otherwise well struck coin.
     
  11. YOC

    YOC Well-Known Member

    Could it be that the flan was colder on one edge when struck, therefore harder? just a thought.
     
  12. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Very nice even missing part of the legend. A scarce emperor and you got it at such a good price. I should be so lucky!
     
  13. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    YOC, you got some great coins....
     
  14. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Sometimes we forget how hard it must have been to make these things. Not only did they have to contend with modern .inting issues, but lack of uniformity like strike evenness and flan thickness at times were culprits. I was just looking at some tetrarchy coins with individual letters missing....weird.

    On this I would guess strike unevenness as well.
     
  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

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    This denarius is missing two letters between the E and V (VA), has a pair of strong letters followed by missing IMPXI. I have been assuming this is a case of filled die where foreign material (grease?, mud?, blood?) got into those letters and prevented the metal from entering. This image is from one of my grading pages.
    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/grade2.html
     
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  16. YOC

    YOC Well-Known Member

    nice to see another example, thanks Doug.
     
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