Ancient Snakes ?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by 7Calbrey, Feb 2, 2015.

  1. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    I see nothing but snakes on this ancient coin. I can't tell the origin, because only a couple of letters are showing up in the middle. The coin weighs 9.35 g. I appreciate all your views and comments. Thanks.. Charles Snake O.jpg Snake R.jpg
     
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  3. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

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  4. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Thanks Ardy. Could you guess the name of the Seleucid King under whom this coin was struck. I don't understand the word cistophoric. Isn't 9.35 g. a small weight for a tetradrachm. ?
     
  5. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

    Sorry, I think the coin looks kind of "mushy". Doesn't mean it's not real since I am not real familiar with this issue.
     
  6. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    Read the link. It's not a Seleukid issue at all. "Cistophoric" refers to the type. That basket full of snakes is known as a cista. http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=cistophoric
     
  7. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    It could go either way. The scan isn't doing any favors. I'm leaning in the direction of authentic.
     
  8. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    I understand that the coin is Roman because the cista with the sacred serpent are dedicated to the worship of god Bacchus. This one was the Roman god of Wine, also named Liber, I think. BTW.. There is a famous temple dedicated to Bacchus in my country. It was built by the Romans. It stands aside 2 other temples dedicated to Jupiter and Venus. Then, does the small weight require a research. Did any Authority struck cistophoric coins with a denomination of 3 Drachms. ? I do really appreciate your sincere collaboration in this interesting and scientific thread. History is a science.
     
  9. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    This coin isn't Seleukid or Roman, its an issue of the city of Pergamon in Mysia. There are later issues struck under Roman authorities, though.

    A weight of 9 grams is a bad sign for you. Even by the time of Hadrian, the weight hadn't dipped that low. There were no cistophoric tridrachms struck. Considering this, I'd have to lean much closer to the "fake" camp.
     
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  10. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Thanks a lot. I shall exchange it tomorrow for another tetradrachm or many smaller Roman coins.
     
  11. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Great find, 7Charles ... I have an example of this cool coin-type

    Mysia – PERGAMON,
    Cistophoric Tetradrachm

    123 - 104 BC
    Diameter: 27 mm
    Weight: 12.4 grams
    Obverse: Cista mystica within ivy wreath
    Reverse: two serpents entwined around bowcase; BO above


    Mysia Pergamon.jpg

    Ummm, but my example weighs significantly more that your example (odd, yes?)
     
  12. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Hi Steve. I'm leaning to the fact that this coin is a fake. I'm going to exchange it tomorrow. What do you say ?
    Charles
     
  13. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Steve likes it anyway. He likes everything. :)
     
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  14. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    I don't like to be a loser in case I can catch up and restart again. Who does ?
     
  15. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    If Ardatirion says 9 grams is bad, it's bad. Get rid of it and get yourself a real coin. :)
     
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  16. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  17. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    I shall.. Brothers.
     
  18. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I have one to show... My obverse looks like a cup of coffee...

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    Mysia, Pergamum (Pergamon) 85-76 BC
    Cista Mystica or Cistophoric Tetradrachm
    AR Tetradrachm 12.46 x 26 mm
    Obverse: Cista mystica with serpent; all within oak / ivy wreath
    Reverse: bow-case with serpents, PRE monogram to left, KP / PRY monogram above, serpent-staff right.
    Ref: Kleiner 36
     
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  19. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I have one from a large mixed lot. It weighs 12.4 gm.

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    MYSIA, Pergamon
    76 BCE
    12.4 gm
    Obv: cista mystica with serpent; all within ivy wreath
    Rev: bow-case with serpents; snake-entwined staff to the right; monogram left; AΠ above; monogram & star above
    Ref: Kleiner, Pergamum 25; Pinder 122
     
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  20. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I have 0.06g more coffee in my mug than yours! :D
     
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  21. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Looks like a German beer stein to me. Ein Bier, Bitte. Bitte, ein mass!
     
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