Ancient experts help: Significance of XXI

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Bart9349, Dec 21, 2011.

  1. Bart9349

    Bart9349 Junior Member

    What is the current thought about the significance of "XXI" on the later antoninianus (aurelianianus) coin?

    Does this explanantion still ring true:

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    Coin from article: An antoninianus of Aurelian, XXI in the exerge

    http://www.celatorsart.com/denominations.html



    Thanks to all who read and reply,

    guy
     
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  3. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/feac73xxi.html

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    y opinions have not changed since the above. As I understand it, the Romans looked at it as 20 parts copper to one part silver or 1/21 = 4.7% rather than 1/20 = 5%. In addition to XXI we have the Greek equivalent KA. Most interesting to me are a few rare coins which are noticeably better silver (double) marked IA or XI.
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  4. Bart9349

    Bart9349 Junior Member

    Ancient Doug: Thank you for the quick and informative response (once again).

    guy
     
  5. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I agree. 20-1 was always the intention, and somehow the ratio got set at 1/20th, (5%) to some authors. I have always viewed it as incorrect math. I believe I read 5 years ago metallurgical tests also support a 4.7 inclusion rate, (for a few years at least, until the government started cheating like they always do).

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  6. Gao

    Gao Member

    For what it's worth, the main competing theory is that it's a statement of value, saying that this 1 coin is worth 20 sestertii. Last I heard, Kenneth W. Harl at least still supports that. I haven't really looked into the arguments about this in much detail, but what I've seen makes me lean towards the metal ratio theory.
     
  7. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    You're right Gao, I had forgotten about that argument. There was a huge long discussion on Moneta-L about 6 years ago about this. That argument was earlier on, then someone was making the case that 20:1 was 5% inclusion, then it was calculated it would be 4.7% if 20:1 metal ratio was meant. It had been so long since I heard that argument I forgot.

    Thanks for bringing that alternate theory up.
     
  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The 20 sestertii theory also has issues with the fact that there are AE1 folles bearing XXI, measuring out at 4.77% and weighing twice as much as any antoninianus. It would require the post reform AE1 follis to have been worth the same as the pre reform radiate AE3.
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