Ancient coin minted in Babylon? Post it here *

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  1. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    Babylon has been described in the history books forever. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon The ruins of Babylon are located about 70 km south of Bagdad in Iraq. (I’ve never been to the place).

    This Alexander the Great Tetradrachm was supposedly minted in the city of Babylon during Alexander’s lifetime. Coincidentally, Babylon is the city where Alexander died in the Eastern Alexandrine Empire.
    Alexander Lifetime Collage.jpg

    MACEDONIAN KINGDOM
    Alexander III (The Great)
    AR Tetradrachm
    Babylon mint 325-323 B.C.
    17.06 grams, 26 mm diameter
    Obv: Head of young Herakles facing right
    clad in lion’s skin
    Rev: Zeus enthroned facing left with legs
    parallel holding eagle and scepter.
    Serpent in a bowl to left,
    AΛΕΞΑΝΑΡΟΥ to right
    Grade: gVF with attractive old
    toning and lustrous details in the
    protected areas. Slightly off center
    on small flan
    Other: Coveted lifetime issue coin with
    snake monogram from the Babylon mint.
    Similar to Sear 6724, Price 3665 Variant.
    From private sale June 2013.




    This 2nd coin was minted in Babylon sometime after the death of Alexander the Great.
    Alexander Posthumous Collage.jpg

    SELEUKID KINGS of SYRIA
    Seleukos I Nikator
    AR Tetradrachm
    Babylon mint 317-305 B.C.

    16.93 grams, 26-27 mm diameter
    Obv: Head of young Herakles facing
    right clad in lion’s skin
    Rev: Zeus enthroned facing left with
    legs crossed holding eagle and
    scepter. ΜΗΡ in wreath monogram
    to left, AΛΕΞΑΝΑΡΟΥ to right, MI
    below throne & ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ in ex.
    Grade: gVF with old cabinet tone.
    Enthroned Zeus is nicely centered
    and Herakles obverse is off center.
    Other: Posthumous issue in the name &
    types of Alexander III (The Great).
    Minted with Alexander’s name,
    Price 3746, SC 82.5a.
    From private sale June 2013.


    Do you have an ancient coin that was minted in Babylon?
    Post em if you got em.
     
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2014
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  3. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    babylon mint....added to list also.

    very nice coins collect, love the lifetime issue.

    you guessed it... also on list.
     
  4. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Nice. However I have no coins minted at Babylon. :(
     
  5. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

  6. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Very cool, C89 ... congrats on a couple of very sweet coins ...

    yah, I quickly searched through all of my Seleukid Kings and/or my Alex III coins, but I didn't notice any from the Babylon mint (*rats*)
     
  7. nathanj485

    nathanj485 Active Member

    How can u tell if it's babylon mint or not?
     
  8. I've got three Alexander tets from Babylon.
    Babylon tet 2.png Babylon tet 3.png Babylon Tet.png
     
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  9. I've only matched my coins up with similar dies to determine mint. There are several ways. Including bust type, legend on reverse, chair style, and monograms. On the middle tet I posted, I was told that the Eagle's head monogram signifies it is from Babylon (Although I don't know what would limit an engraver at a different mint from using the Eagle as a monogram); that could be wrong as I haven't matched it up w/ a similar die, yet.
     
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  10. Here is my Amphipolis mint, for a differential reference
    Amphipolis mint.png
     
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  11. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    Here is a Babylonian coin of the Eastern Alexandrine Empire:
    DiShekel Collage.jpg
    BABALONIA, Babylon
    AR Stater (or Dishekel)
    328-321 B.C.

    16.08 grams, 22 mm x 5.5 mm thick
    Obv: Ba’al seated left holding scepter
    Rev: Lion walking left, control mark
    Г above.
    Grade: good Fine to a Very Fine
    nicely toned & centered.
    Other:Good silver 5.5 mm thick. Anonymous mintage of Eastern Alexandrine empire under the successors of Mazaeus (Stamenes 328-323 B.C., Archon 323-321 B.C.) See BMC.34, BMC.184/36. Babylonian stater coin sometimes called a tetradrachm according to the Attic standard due to its 16 gram weight.
    Ex Pegasi auction #19 lot 181 November 18, 2008.
    From private sale January 11, 2014.
     
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  12. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    Awesome coins C89, great detail and no test cuts, very nice..
     
  13. Dionysos

    Dionysos Well-Known Member

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  15. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    This is an ultra-cool photo with the side view. :happy:
     
  16. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    nice => man, that's a mighty sweet coin ya got there, Dionysos (a total winner)
     
  17. tenacious

    tenacious Member

    You beat me to it.
    With the third coin being a posthumous Babylon.

    And I don't mean to be a party pooper. But the coin in the very first post is not a Babylonian issue. The style of Herakles, Zeus and even Zeus's throne all point to a Macedonian issue. Don't forget that symbols like the snake can, and have been, used at more than one mint. So those symbols alone are not necessarily definitive as to mint of origin.

    From the OP -
    "Similar to Sear 6724, Price 3665 Variant."

    Here's the OP coin compared with Price 3665 which is a lifetime Babylon -

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    OP coin -
    - typical Macedonian Herakles style with spiky lion's mane
    - throne is of Macedonian mint style
    - Zeus's left arm reaches well above his head, Macedonian style

    Babylonian Price 3665 -
    - typical Babylonian style Herakles with curved lion's mane
    - throne is of Babylonian mint style
    - the M and monogram below throne are definitive for Babylon

    Etc.
     
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  18. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Very informative tenacious. Thanks
     
  19. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    I'm really interested in the "etc" if you don't mind helping a little more. Based upon the macedonian styles and the serpent monogram & nothing under the throne, could you determine the mint of my first coin? I really appreciate any corrections you might recommend for the coin label.
     
  20. sorry guys. must be getting lazy. I must admit that I may have had a few last night. :yack:
     
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  21. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    My only Babylon mint coin:-

    Alexander III The Great, Macedonian Kingdom, 336 - 323 B.C., Lifetime Issue, Silver tetradrachm
    Obv:- Head of (Alexander the Great as) Herakles right, wearing lion skin headdress knotted at base of neck
    Rev:- ALEXANDROU, Zeus seated left, holding eagle in right hand and scepter in left, monogram and M below throne;
    Price 3599 (same dies), Müller 67, 17.206g, 25.9mm, 255o, Babylon mint, lifetime issue, c. 325 - 323 B.C.;

    [​IMG]
     
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