Anceint Israel Atribution

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  1. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    Can anyone identify this coin?

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  3. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    The obverse looks like a Second Jewish war shekel, but I do not recognize the reverse.

    Btw Ruben, are you ever going to buy Hendin? You seem to like these coins, and I believe you would love the historical background and writeups in the book on the culture and history associated with these coins. :)
     
  4. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    They are the same coin.
     
  5. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    Sorry, I had to run out of the house so I didn't have a chance to give a more detailed response. Your right, I need to get a Hendin book eventually and an Overton and a Krause probably.

    When I was at the show, I finally got to look at the Yuhad Coinage and I was very surprised that despite that these things can cost 2,000 dollars and yet are smaller than the flecks of gold I see people pan handling out of Cripple Creek in Colorado in their spare time. They are not very exciting despite being historical confirmation of the first Jewish exile.
     
  6. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Yes, Yehud are small, miserable little coins for the most part. I find all Jewish coinage not terribly exciting as coins go. If they were coins for another culture, one not as important and as well known, I doubt they would bring very much money at all.

    As it is, because of their importance we know a lot more about them then most other small culture coins.

    So, your original coin, unless I found something further I would suspect cast counterfeit. I sure as heck wouldn't buy it unless I could find it in Hendin or Meshorer or SNG ANS 6. I can pull those three out tonight and check if you like.
     
  7. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    It is labeled Bar Kochba Revolt
    132-135
    AR Zuz or Denarius 3.72g

    Shimon within the weath of eight almons with medallion at top

    "For the Freedom of Jerusalem" Fluted Jug handle on it. No willow branch back of

    mid-108 H-1423 TJC-284a

    The dealer is William M Rosenblum
     
  8. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    20408 Bar Kokhba Revolt (132 - 135 AD). AR zuz (19mm, 3.73 gm, 1h). Undated third year (134/135 AD). .CEM§(Simon) within a wreath of thin branches wrapped around eight almonds, medallion at top, tendrils at bottom, there are a pair of dots, one inside and one outside, between each section / ML§,Ry T,RxL(for the freedom of Jerusalem); fluted jug, handle on l., no willow branch. Back of emperor's head from previous coin faces 2 o'clock on reverse. Mildenberg 227,108 (these dies). Hendin 1423. TJC 284a. AJC II 274,67a. Very Fine. Sold for: $478.00.

    This might be the coin, actually

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  9. mrbrklyn

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  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Being overstruck on Roman denarii makes these things a bit of a mess. Certainly it is still possible that the coin is a fake but that is not suggested from the photo. People don't buy these for their beauty but, rather, for the historical and ethnic connections.
     
  12. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    Actually Generall, I like the design of the Bar kavka revolt coin, especially the fact that they don't have portraits
     
  13. meme18

    meme18 Member

    Hi, late to the party here...

    I exclusively collect Judean coins and I'm new here so was browsing around...

    This coin definitely resembles the real deal but having seen many of these types I'm highly suspicious that it's a fake..

    Did you end buying this coin?


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  14. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Well-Known Member

    Greetings, meme18—
    Welcome to the forum! Good to meet a fellow Judaean collector.
     
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  15. meme18

    meme18 Member

    Same here..Collectors are almost as hard to find as the coins :)

    How to your store your coins? Any holder you can recommend that would fit a Bar Kochba sela and would still fit in an Abafil tray?


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  16. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Well-Known Member

    No but I just checked out Abafil trays and I love them! I don't have one but I'm going to order one today. All of my Judaean coins that are not NGC slabbed (I have a lot of those) are in tackle boxes.
     
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  17. meme18

    meme18 Member

    I love them too, they are gorgeous.. You've never heard of them before?


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  18. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Well-Known Member

    I've never knew what they were called—also, Ive never had so many unslabbed coins on hand before. In the past I would send them off to NGC for certification and encapsulation as soon as I received them from my coin dealers. I'm not slabbing my coins anymore so I need a nice way to display them.
     
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  19. meme18

    meme18 Member

    I hate stabbing- (no offense).. Will you put them bare in the trays or in holders? (I use kointains)


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  20. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Well-Known Member

    No offense taken! I have two collections one slabbed and one for handling. I think that I would not use holders. Blue would be appropriate for Judaean coins. The Abafil trays are nice. The problem that I can see with them however is that I would not be able to eat or sleep until filled every slot with a different coin.

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    Red would be good for Roman coins.

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