Anacs UDM

This is my first Anacs coin, and I'm digging it. Ultra deep mirror prooflike, the photographs cant do the mirrors justice. But it's amazing what a range "DMPLs" can have in their mirrors.

 

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To be honest, I'm a little surprised at the 64 grade. The eagle looks like it was peppered by a shotgun.

Chris

 

Chris, it's against the law to shoot eagles......

 

That's cause it's a VAM 7

 

Nice coin a vam 7 I stand corrected

 

I'm not surprised by your post.

 

Nice. I'd have bought her in a heartbeat. I'm a big sucker for a nice morgan in an anacs hotel-soap slab

 

Any coin that I collect that's in an old ANACS slab I'll definitely give a second look and most days pull the trigger .

 

What does the VAM have to do with the grade?

Why are you surprised by my opinion?

Chris

 

Because that's what the reverse looks like from the die, so just like planchet marks they aren't heavily factored into the grade. The dies were rusty and pitted.

here's a 84 VAM 7 MS66DMPL reverse:


Here's a 84 VAM 7 MS65DMPL reverse

Here's another one MS65 DMPL:


The not surprised part was just being used to someone posting a negative comment whenever I get excited about a coin as well as the fact that you weren't aware what VAM 7 characteristics were. Does that mean you have to like the coin? No. That's just why I wasn't surprised by your post.

EDIT: That first coin got a star it was MS66* DMPL

 

They're so little it really is a great holder.

 

I've no clue what VAM-7 has to do with this coin looking like a birdshot victim. You should look closer; the VAMworld plate coin demonstrates none of this crap, the written description does not mention it, and all of your example coins have marks in different places. I am astonished to see this one in an old ANACS holder at this grade, although there's no doubt the mirrors are spectacular. Chris is right.

 

I'm not going to argue with you Dave, I'm just going to stop posting. I guess I was mistaken. You definitely know your VAMS, so I trust your opinion, Once again, I was excited and now I'm just sad I overpaid for an overgraded coin. I think it's best if I keep my coins to myself from now on. I am obviously gaining nothing by doing this.

 

Shoot.....don't go. Dave was just trying to be constructive.

 

An early ANACS UDM is a blistering coin; that was a period when (IMO) they were tougher on mirroring than anyone else. I used the term "spectacular" advisedly, and you probably won't own a more reflective coin.

Chris' mode of expression can be abrasive, and I've taken him to task for it publicly more than once over the years. This time, he's correct and I feel your knowledge of his style prejudiced your response inappropriately.

 

Pardon me, if I matter-of-factly comment about the coin. It's unfortunate that so many kids grow up with thin skins and can't even take constructive criticisms. I don't keep track of your posts or anyone else's for that matter, so I have no idea what comments I've made in the past. Apparently, you keep track of such gnarly things.

As for the VAM, nowhere in Leroy's description does he mention rusted dies. QDB doesn't even mention any oddities in the distribution in his Red Book of Morgan Dollars.

http://www.vamworld.com/1884-CC+VAM-7

Besides, if the dies were pitted, anyone who is familiar with the characteristics of a coin produced from a pitted die would know that they produce raised bumps on the coin, not small impressions. I stand by my original comment that I don't think it deserved an MS64 because those marks all over the eagle are recessed, not raised. You'll just have to get used to the fact that when you post a coin, you are liable to get opinions that don't make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Chris

 

Dave, what about the other coins he posted? Regardless of vam it does appear to be a die issue, no? I know they look incuse but could it just be a light play or shallowness?

 

Look, you're not the only person who has made mistakes. Hell, I've made bunches, but if I decided to just run and hide, I'd get nowhere. Making mistakes is a part of the learning process.

Yeah, Dave has jumped on me in the past, but it has never changed my opinion of him. I respect him for his honesty and knowledge. That's part of life.

Chris

 

C'mon... who cares if it's really a high end 63 or a low end 64...? Best mirrors ever, that would be more important to me if it was my coin. And you've shown other pitted coins... no matter why they are all pitted, apparently it's common for that date/mm/VAM. So again, who cares?

 

VAM 7A, which is a later state of the die, is rusted. My coin definitely has raised pits. There are obviously different stages of dies. I already conceded to Dave maybe the other marks have nothing to do with the VAM, but I can show you DOZENS of them with similar marks on the reverse. The problem with you old timers is you're "cliquey". I've seen it again and again. This has nothing to do with thin skin, this is about not wasting my time on a board full of curmudgeons. Thin skin, thick skin, this is a zero sum game. Therefore I made a logical decision to stop posting. I will continue to peruse all the "undergraded" coins that people post on this site and get gushy over, and think to myself "I don't see it". Because as much as it feels good to point out "I am more discerning than you" the point of the post was to show you a cool UDM. I know sometimes it's easy to forget things, but if you're telling me you have no recollection of any interactions previously, than you're lying. You can stand by your original comment and I will stand by mine, I wasn't surprised by it.

I was astonished Dave was astonished that it was a 64, but you guys go way back. Dave has been awesome and really cool, I just don't agree with you guys and neither did all the bidders at heritage.