ebay listing This is an example of ANA member in the USA trying to pull a fast one selling a fake chinese coin. There are many faker out there...not just from china but also from the USA with ANA title or powerseller...etc
Why do you think this coin is a fake? Have you contacted the seller and given him the opportunity to reply? I'd be interested in knowing the answer to these questions, as I'm sure, would others here. Thanks
Fake or not, that has got to be the ugliest obverse that I have ever seen on a coin in my life... Douglas Thigpen
reply to Art: I collect mostly chinese machine struck silver coin. and I have the same coin whiich is authenticated by NGC. That coin listed in ebay does not come 1/4 way to any likeness to it. My point is some ebay seller would use his ANA member # to advertise his fake item. And for a lot of beginner, they look at ANA members as honest decent dealer or collector who follow the ANA rules and guideline., therefore trusting them. I think if this person is smart, should not show his ANA # so boldly while selling fake stuff. Its a disgrace for the organization. Image all those China faker selling fake trade dollar, they could just pay $40-50 and get a ANA membership, then use it as a trap for unaware buyers.
Let me count just the first half-dozen ways - 1. President Hsu Shih-chang's portrait is turned just a tad more to the side on K#676 (reeded edge) and K#676.1 (plain edge) of the only coin bearing his portrait listed in Krause. 2. Genuine coins have a legend on the bottom of the reverse in addition to the one on the top. 3. Hsu's collar and tie are not accurate on this fake. 4. Genuine coins are a tad less than 40mm, this one is a little more. 5. Genuine coins weigh 26.5g, this one 23.45. 6. The calligraphy of the characters for the country name and date is a little different from that on genuine coins. Those are my main problems with the coin. Sarawakian probably had some others as well. Overall, except for the missing legend it's not a bad copy, but even a great copy is a copy. Oh yeah, and it's been cleaned!
Art, I just emailed the seller asking if the coin was genuine and if it had been cleaned or had original surfaces.
In a case like this - I would strongly suggest sending an email directly to the ANA. They will take action.
Here are the picture of the real coin. check it out and compare to the one in ebay and you will laugh To Art, I know it is a fake, why would I need to ask that seller any question?
The coin you have pictured is far more attractive than the one pictured on ebay. In fact the ebay coin is quite ugly. I would ask the seller a few questions before I made judgements about his/her intentions. Of course the fact that the seller included an ANA number in the ad doesn't mean they are any more honest than anyone else. I just always believe in giving someone the benefit of the doubt. It will be interesting to observe this auction and the activities surrounding it. Thanks for the picture of the real coin.
You are correct - being an ANA member does not make one an honest seller. But it is supposed to. And that is why many sellers list their ANA membership number - to lead potential customers to think that they are honest. For if the ANA finds out that an ANA member is selling fake coins - it could cost that member his/her mebership.
maybe hes selling a coin he knows nothing about. does the guy sell other chinese coins? could be a genuine mistake he got a coin in a lot and didint know its a fake? or maybe hes a downright piece of scum that shout be kicked right outta ANA at nearest oportunity. but who knows
Here is the response that I received from the seller. It is genuine and the surfaces are original. Check it out in the World Coins book, most libraries and shops that sell foreign coins will have one. I do not think it has been cleaned, it does not have the microscopic scratches that cleaning leaves, plus it has much of its natural luster aaronj
auction ended with the final price of $3.25. Lucky no one believe the trend of $600 to $700 as this seller put in the description.
I don't think we should necessarily assume that this individual is an ANA member, simply because he posted a number. It might just be a convincing ploy. Is there any way to check the ANA membership directory, and see if the number even matches up with someone named aaron jared (or something close to it at least)? Regardless, the obverse looks like someone beat the coin with an ugly stick. ~neuron
