An interesting Titus

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Orfew, Feb 10, 2019.

  1. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    I just bought this Titus. On first glance it is nothing too special. It is a very common coin for Titus. However, take a closer look at the reverse. Underneath the triangular frame is a lituus. This turns out to be a rare variant of RIC 124. This type was carried over into the first issue of Domitian's coinage. RIC 3 for Domitian shows the pulvinar with the triangular frame. It is a rare coin but also has with a rare variant, a lituus under the frame. I have both of these for Domitian. For some time I have wanted the Titus variant.

    According to @David Atherton on his forum gallery pages, there are 3 known varieties of the lituus type for Titus. One has 3 palmettes, one has five, and one has nine. Mine is the type with nine palmettes. This makes my coin RIC 124c in the yet to be published addendum to RIC II Part 1.

    This is a worn but still pleasing coin imho. I am very happy to add this one to my collection.

    As an added bonus this coin completes my 3rd 12 Caesars set.

    Please show your coins of Titus.

    Titus AR Denarius. Rome Mint
    79-81 CE
    (17 mm 3.15 g)
    Obv: IMP TITVS CAES VESPASIAN AVG P M, laureate head right
    Rev:TR P IX IMP XV — COS VIII P P, draped processional chair, triangular frame by decorated with nine Palmattes Lituus under triangular frame.
    RIC 124c (in the as yet unpublished addendum to RIC II Part 1)
    Ex: Savoca 16thBlue auction Lot 978 February 10, 2019

    Titus lituus.jpg
     
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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I don't have any coins of Titus but I like yours.
    Perhaps do you know why they chose to do the inscription counter-clockwise on the obverse but clockwise on the reverse? I've been wondering that.
     
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  4. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    And here is a photo of my 3rd set of the 12 Caesars.
    12 Caesars 3rd set.png
     
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  5. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Sorry @furryfrog02 I have no idea why they switched.
     
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  6. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    A respectable example of the type!

    Also, a slight attribution correction - it is 124c (lower case). The triangular frame on square seat pulvinaria type comes in three different variants: RIC 124a with five palmettes, RIC 124b with three palmettes (the rarest of the three variants), and RIC 124c with nine palmettes. Some rare variants show a lituus within the triangular frame. Only the five palmettes with lituus has been assigned its own unique RIC number - 124A. I don't recall contacting Ted Buttrey or Ian Carradice about the 9 palmettes with lituus, so it still should remain 124c without a unique RIC number. Although, I suppose it needs one!
     
  7. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Good eye! I forgot to submit bids in this auction...
     
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  8. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

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    Golly @Orfew! Seems like every post you have I think, "Now there's another coin that I could spend a night drinking scotch and rolling through my fingers."
    Coingrats on the saweet Titus rarity!
    Here's mine of the military great that we lost far to soon...
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    TITUS, 79-81 CE
    AR Denarius (3.29 gm) of
    Rome, as Caesar, 76 AD.
    Laureate head right / Eagle
    on cippus. RSC.59a.
    RIC.191a. RIC2.861

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  9. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    One like yours:
    Titus. 79-81 AD. AR Denarius (3.51 gm). Rome mint. Struck 80 AD. Obv: Laureate head right. Rev: Ornamented throne with triangular back with central palmette and three vertical objects on each side; and with lituus within triangle. RIC II 124a; BMCRE 58; RSC 313a.
    TitusDenDiademOnSeatRSC313a.jpg
     
  10. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Titus 7.jpg
    TITUS
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: T CAES IMP VESP CENS, laureate head right, "o" beneath neck
    REVERSE: FIDES PVBL, hands clasped over caduceus, two poppies and two corn-ears
    Struck at Uncertain Asian Mint or Ephesus, 76AD
    2.9g, 19mm
    RIC V 1485 (Vesp), RPC 1459
    Ex David Atherton; ex Harry Sneh Collection; ex Sayles; ex Lavender
     
  11. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Wow, that is a great example @PeteB I love it. Thanks for posting that one.

    @Bing
    I really like that coin. I have been looking for a "Fides Pvbl" for a couple of months.
     
  12. octavius

    octavius Well-Known Member

    3grARQi47zmCDZe6t9TiPy8RJHp52E.jpg 5HsJax4XDKr2ei8ZM3NtcA9BR6mEpC.jpg 8Sz6xy7Am9ES5ecBZ3ff6DjNi4LtKq.jpg 1077AUVESLG.jpg I love the coins of Titus , and his father. He was a powerful general, and his coins make him look the part, especially this dupondius. 496982.jpg
     
  13. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Wow octavius, are those yours?
     
  14. octavius

    octavius Well-Known Member

    Yes and thanks very much. I have been hunting down Titus and his father for many years. I like the style of their coins and I especially love the history of Rome from Nero through to Domitian.
     
  15. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Great coins @octavius

    My favourite is actually the reverse inspired by Marcus Antonius-the prow with star. Mine is nowhere near as pristine as yours but I still love it. it was a tough coin to find in any condition.

    titus ric 950.jpg
     
  16. octavius

    octavius Well-Known Member

    Thanks. It took a lot of patience to track down that reverse in that condition, but ironically, I don't have the original of M. Antonius.
     
  17. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Sweet! Here's mine although Vespasian not Titus. The Antony is a fouree

    Vespasian_Prow_star.jpg
    RIC 941 Vespasian denarius
    IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG
    Laureate head right

    COS VIII
    Prow of galley right, star above.

    Rome 77-8 AD

    3.39g

    RIC II 941; BMCRE 210; RSC 136.

    Rare.

    Ex-Ancient Treasures, Ex-ANE.

    This reverse type copied from aurei and denarii of Ahenobarbus struck for Mark Antony in 40 BC, Crawford 521 .

    Antony_fouree.jpg
    ANT IMP III VIR R P C
    Bare head of Mark Antony right, lituus behind

    CN DOMIT AHENOBARBVS IMP
    Prow of galley right star above

    Corcyra? Summer 40BC
    2.08g

    Sear 1472

    Ex-ANE

    Cn. Domitius Ahenobarbus was a republican admiral who accompanied Brutus to Macedonia after Caesar's assassination. He was given command of the fleet in the Adriatic. After Cassius and Brutus were defeated at Philippi, Ahenobarbus turned to piracy and was in command of up to 2 legions and 70 ships. He was reconciled to Antony's side by Asinius Pollio and after the Pact of Brundisium he was given back his civic rights and was appointed Governor of Bithynia. He remained loyal to Antony almost to the end but deserted him just prior to Actium, dying shortly after of illness.
     
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  18. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Nice! I was a hair away from bidding on this one.
     
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