An Interesting Antoninianus of Tetricus II - An Apparently Unique Obverse

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  1. Harry G

    Harry G Well-Known Member

    Hi all! I just bought this coin, and thought I'd share what it is!

    It is a (probably barbarous) antoninianus of Tetricus II, SPES AVGG reverse

    tetricus_ii_cesar-removebg-preview.png
    (I've had to use the seller's pictures, so please ignore the red-ish background)

    The reverse is very common, but the obverse is interesting. Instead of the die-engraver writing (for example) C PIV ESV TETRICVS CAES, they have decided to write out the title of Caesar in full, making it:

    C PI ESV TETRICVS CESAR

    They have missed out the V in PIV, and the A in CAESAR, but the full title of "CESAR" being used is pretty clear. I can't find any similar examples on Google, acsearch or Wildwinds that have the full title being used

    The style of the coin is quite crude, but better than a lot of other barbarous coins. The surface is also a little pitted, and it is possible the coin is cast?

    Any opinions would be greatly appreciated!

    Thanks!
     
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  3. John Conduitt

    John Conduitt Well-Known Member

    Yes it does look barbarous, but as you say, a very good style. It's tricky because even the official issues were dreadful. I mean, despite the spelling mistakes it looks like your engraver knew how to read, which most barbarous engravers didn't seem to be able to do. Often they didn't even bother with actual letters. In that sense, they all have unique obverses, reverses and legends.

    How big is it? I think official coins are nearer 18mm or so. I don't know, but the pitting might be because the alloy was cheap, and some metals leached out quicker than others.

    The barbarous radiates I have from that time are much cruder, but I only collect those from Britain - it seems the counterfeiters in Britain were at an all-time low. I've seen barbarous radiates from the Continent that are much better.

    But the official issues weren't great either. This, I think, is an official version of your coin:

    Tetricus II Antoninianus, 271-274
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    Cologne/Trier. Bronze, 18mm, 2.6g. C PIV ESV TETRICVS CAES. SPES AVGG (RIC V2 270).

    The bust is good but it looks like they engraved the legends and reverse with a penknife. Worse than yours, I think. You'd think it was too crude to be official - well, I did - until you see the barbarous issues:

    Tetricus of some sort, or maybe Claudius II, 270-280s
    upload_2021-8-17_11-10-52.png
    'Bronze' 16mm, 2.4g. AEQ? Reverse seems to be Aequitas, which might mean it's Claudius II, although the bust doesn't seem to have a beard. Or much of a face.

    Tetricus I, 270-280s
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    Bronze, 15mm, 1.1g. The reverse legend doesn't seem to offer any help in identifying the figure, but I think they have wings.

    Tetricus I, 270-280s
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    Bronze, 10mm, 0.3g. Laetitia standing, holding rudder and cornucopea. The legends are again no help. If they are indeed legends.

    So yours looks much closer to official than barbarous!
     
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2021
  4. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Here's my favorite barbaric radiate from my small collection - it is just wretched :vomit:

    Barbarous Radiate June 2018 (0).jpg
    Barbarous Radiate Æ Antoninianus
    Gaul / Northern Europe
    (c. 274-300s A.D.)

    V I S A (?), cuirassed and radiate bust right (Tetricus?) / APTE retrograde C, unidentified goddess standing (reverse double-struck).
    (0.84 grams / 16 mm)
    eBay June 2018
     
  5. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    That is truly a very fine Barb, @Harry G ! Writing out "CAESAR" is unusual to say the least, and likely unique for a barb.

    My two favorite barbs:
    Tetricus I Barb.JPG
    Tetricus I, probably.

    Tetricus II Cunetio 2590.JPG
    This coin is of such fine style it's hard to determine if its official or not. I'm on the fence.
     
  6. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..i would come closer to saying it was official because of the correct spelling and nomenclature ( i. e. the AVGG reverse).. a unique portrait either way :) IMG_0576.JPG IMG_0577.JPG Tetricus ll, ae antoninianus, 273AD, 17mm, 2.16gms
     
  7. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    Nice coins everyone. Here’s a few barbarous TIIs. The first one has an obverse legend ending in AVG, so TII as augustus (unofficially)! The reverse seems to mix a PAX AVG legend with a deity with a rudder… so mix-matched.
    Tetricus_II_Imitation2.JPG
    This second one has an interesting style. What’s more interesting is that whoever carved the obverse legend didn’t follow the standard legend formula (as is often the case with barbarous coins), but seemed to be literate and added “TETRI” to the end of the legend after “TETRICVS” or actually “TETRCIVS”.
    Tetricus_II_Imitation1.JPG
     
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2021
  8. Harry G

    Harry G Well-Known Member

    Thank you for your responses, everyone!

    I do now have the coin in hand, so have some more accurate measurements and (hopefully) some better photos.

    tetricus ii as cesar.png
    tetricus_ii_as_cesar_2-removebg-preview.png

    The coin is about 17.5mm in diameter, and is surprisingly heavy, weighing 3.31g

    I also took a photo of it next to a couple of my other (definitely official) Tetricus II antoniniani that I had lying around

    tetricus ii comparison.png

    The smaller one on the left is 18mm in diameter and weighs 2.61g, while the bigger one on the right is 20mm in diameter and weighs 2.19g.

    The middle coin weighs quite a bit more than both of the others, and is only slightly smaller than the smallest one.
     
  9. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Here's one of Tetricus Junior. Portrait is OK but the celator fell asleep at the switch on the reverse!

    GALLIC EMPIRE
    Tetricus II, A.D. 273-274

    AE antoninianus, 20mm, 2.8 grams, 12h

    Cologne mint

    Obverse: C PIV ESV TETRICVS CAES
    Radiate, draped bust right

    Reverse: PRINC IV-VENT
    Tetricus II standing left holding branch and vertical sceptre

    Reference: RIC Vb 260, p. 423

    ex: JAZ Numismatics (@John Anthony)

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  10. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    +1

    My example has correct legends and could well be official, but there really is no way to be certain. Some of the official engravers appear to have been working rather sloppily, while some "barbarian" imitators were apparently literate and had considerable engraving skills.

    Rom – Tetricus II, Antoninian, Spes.png
    Tetricus II as Caesar, Gallic Roman Empire, AE antoninian, 272–273 AD, Trier mint. Obv: C PIV ESV TETRICVS CAES; bust of Tetricus II, radiate, draped, r. Rev: [SPES] PVBL[ICA]; Spes walking l., holding flower in r. hand and raising robe with l. hand. 16mm, 1.54g. Ref: Mairat 795; RIC V Tetricus I 272.
     
  11. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    I have a web site "Barbarous Radiates: Unofficial coins of the Gallo-Roman empire struck AD 259-274"
    http://augustuscoins.com/ed/imit/BarbarousRadiates.html
    which is an introduction to the subject.

    I think the OP coin is nice enough to be official, in spite of the misspelling. Most of the official coins have problems or one sort or another. The styles of the portrait and reverse are normal. Pronounce "CAESAR" to yourself and you will see the "A" is unnecessary. Maybe the engraver was an advocate of improved and simplified spelling!

    Here is my best Tetricus II:

    TetricusIISPESAVGG2070.jpg

    20-19 mm. 2.65 grams.
    C PIV ESV TETRICVS CAES
    SPES AVGG
    Spes (hope) advancing left, holding out flower

    Next is a much-smaller barbarous radiate:

    BRTetricusII9mm8832H97.jpg
    9 mm. 0.57 grams.
    For such a tiny coin it is remarkable that there is legend, although blundered, on the flan.
    ex Baldwin's in London, Feb. 1988.
     
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  12. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    Here is the "perfect" hybrid: the portrait of Tetricus I (bearded), the legend of Tetricus II (DN........CAES) and a reverse type of Victorinus (PAX AVG) !

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  13. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    If I saw this coin in isolation I would think it an imitation. It seems too from from my thoughts of the official issues but them I am far from authoritative on this period.

    I do have my own imitative from this period to throw into the mix though.

    Obv:– S (sic) P E TETRICVS CAES, radiate and draped bust right
    Rev:– PIETAS AVGVSTOR, Sacrificial implements, spinkler, simpulum, jug and lituus

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