All I got was CHUMP CHANGE!!!

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  1. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I won at an auction last week, and finally received my Roman Republic
    Aes Grave Sextans.

    I was talking with @ancientcoinguru the other day, explaining how I was happy to win this auction... Then it hit me: the Sextans were the "pocket change" during the time of the early Roman Republic! This Aes Grave Sextans ONLY weighs 55g... A Sextans is 2 Unciae or a SIXTH of an As... When an As weighs a Roman Libral Pound or 341-270g depending on the issuance, then my Sextans at 55g is only CHUMP CHANGE to those huge-Asses! :D

    Wow, and we all thought those AE Ptolemaic coins were hefty!

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    Roman Republic
    Æ Aes Grave Sextans

    Anonymous Issue
    Circa 270 BCE
    37mm, 55.28 g, 12h. ....12.3mm THICK!
    Libral standard. Uncertain mint.
    Obv: Head of Dioscurus right; two pellets (mark of value) behind
    Rev: Head of Dioscurus left; two pellets (mark of value) behind.
    Crawford 18/5; ICC 37; HN Italy 283.
    Comments: attractive dark green patina.
    Ex: CNG; Auktionshaus Meister & Sonntag 2 (20 September 2004), lot 1031.
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    Comparative picture of an Aes Grave As in a hand (Takes 6 of my Sextans to an As)
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    (I understand in Latin: Aes Grave is pronounced 'Ice Graway').

    Please feel free to post any Roman Republic cool cast coins, or any OTHER cool cast coins! (Yeah, even some monster Ptolemies would be fun!)
     
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  3. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    This coin comes a couple thousand years before the invention of the concept that required making coins of so little value that they could buy nothing worth having. In 1857 the US decided that the time of need for the half cent had passed but 159 years later we cling to the need for a one cent coin. I suspect the sextans was worth more in 270 BC than we realize. Are there any records of prices from this period?
     
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  4. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Excellent point Doug. I cannot find my article at the moment, but I believe it took an As to purchase an Ox at this time. The article further went on to compare grain prices, etc. My OP was to illustrate the size of the coinage, and that larger denominations were huge in-hand. This was a comparative to our modern concept of coinage.
     
  5. ancientcoinguru

    ancientcoinguru Well-Known Member

    Here is my AE aes grave sextans, almost identical in size (52.32gm - 35 mm) but not quite as nice as @Alegandron's example. Mine has a brown black patina.
    Aes Grave Sextans Dioscuri.png
     
  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I still love that Sextan, ACG!
     
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  7. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    Nice cast coin! It is one of the earlier types which is extra neat. Mine has a big piece missing where it was broken after casting.

    The early Romans were primarily subsistence farmers. They did not have significant wealth in the form of gold or silver and made transactions by barter. Early fines were recorded in cows and sheep. In the fifth century, fines were converted to bronze asses.
    1 Cow = 100 Asses
    1 Sheep = 10 Asses
    1 As = 1 Roman pound of bronze, or
    1 As = 330 grams = 11.6 ounces
     
  8. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Wouldn't want a pocket full of those. Neat coin. Actually would put it on a want list, just near the bottom. ;)
     
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  9. ancientcoinguru

    ancientcoinguru Well-Known Member

    I thought I would mention that the weight range of this issue is 79-43.75 gems, so both @Alegandron and my examples are on the light side!

    @rrdenarius, I'd love to see your broken aes grave sextans, please post! I think your photo might give a better impression of exactly how thick these coins were.
     
  10. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    What a great coin! The idea of chump change is funny, but maybe not too far off the mark. I know it's much heavier, but it's close to the diameter of a modern half-dollar, which is basically chump change today.
     
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  11. ancientcoinguru

    ancientcoinguru Well-Known Member

    I do have another sextans from this time period, which I bought last month at the FUN show. This one is a bit heavier than the examples already shown, but falls within the 77.46-42 gm weight range for this issue.

    AG sextans shell cadecaeus.png AG sextans shell cadeceus rev.png
    280-278 BC
    AE aes grave sextans 68.3 gm - 38 mm
    Obv: Scallop shell with 2 pellets below
    Rev: Cadeceus, 2 pellets in field
    Ref: ICC 30, T&V 5, Cr. 14/5, HN Italy 272, SR551
     
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  12. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Nice Al. Love the look and I can only imagine the feel. Congrats.
     
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  13. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Wonderful coin Al !! Congrats all who posted !!

    Jeez, my 'want list' never gets any shorter no matter how many 'new' coins i acquire LOL
     
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  14. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Wow. Seeing them in hand really adds some perspective.
     
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  15. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Ok now I am going to need a BIIIGGG RR bronze coin. Thanks guys.
     
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  16. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Ya, I'm in the same boat.
     
  17. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Yea I am just about over a coin type and then someone posts something like this. Thanks @Alegandron .
     
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  18. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    That is so true. The more you know, the more is interesting. You will never come to the end of it. That is good. You can collect for 40 to 50 or more years and not get bored, although you may change emphases.
     
  19. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    LOL!!! YOU do that to ME!!! And I end up BUYING them! :)
    C'mon, how many people say 'DONE...ship it!' :)
     
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  20. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    I tend to do it alot. Usually I am more of a " Yea! Yea! Yea! ship it, ship it, ship it!
     
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  21. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    BRO!
     
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