Hello everyone! I know your tired of all the Washington $1 posts, but this is a new one. I wish I had the skills to take quality pics. and be able to post them to this forum. I have found a few coins which I am not quite sure are errors.So I will try to describe them to the best of my ability. Out of nearly 3 boxes, I have found 3 coins with the rim raised up like the quarter.It is supposed to be smooth with a beveled edge. It runs 3/4 around the edge on the obverse, and about 1/3 on the reverse. It almost looks like a cud. It looks exactely like the rim of the quarter. What kind of error (if an error at all) would this be called & what kind of premium would this carry if any at all. Also, I have found two coins out of the same roll with a tiny zig-zag (what appears to be a crack) line that runs all the way around the third side of the coin.It runs through each incused letter. the line does not appear to be raised. What is this called & is this an error? Any premium? I also found what appears to be a dropped letter error of the designers initials ( obverse) on the side of the coin right next to the D mint mark. It appears to be J F only backwards.( It would appear normal if you put it in the mirror) it appears to be incused. It is exactely the same size as the initials on Washingtons bust. There is no way that a few contact marks would be able to make these letters. In fact there was one on ebay about a week ago and it sold for $630. I really dont think this will be common at all. I spent an hour trying to get a pic that would show these letters with no luck. Just wondering about how much could this be worth? It may be 25,000 rarer than the smooth edge variety. Any thoughts and opinions will be greatly appreciated. TIA CLAW
I don't know what to tell you honestly. Pics would be good, but you said you can't get any. The zigzag line sounds simialar to a diecrack, but you said it isn't raised. Could be a planchet flaw. Otherwise, I don't know what to tell you there. Might just be a scratch. The ones that are simialar to quarters, I don't quite unserstand what you are saying. Is the edge reeded? I'm stumped . Sorry I can't be of much help. Someone else could probably help better than me. Sounds like you have a few things. Best of luck. And great finds! :thumb: Phoenix
On the outside edge of the $1 coin,( where the beveled edge should be) there is a raised edge about half a mm, or slightly less. ( around about 3/4 of the coin.) This part of the coin should be flat to the edge, with a bevel , then flat ( side of coin) another bevel, then the reverse. Look at a state quarter , the outermost part of the rim is raised.( highest part of coin). Kinda hard to picture without good pics. :headbang: Just strikes me as very odd. I have looked through nearly $10,000 worth of Sackies and Washingtons, and never have seen this before. I will try again this weekend to post pics. I am having trouble figuring out how to reduce the file to be able to post pics here. Probably just some type of die failure or a problem striking the collar. hope this helps a little more.:desk:
It's called finning. It happens when a coin is struck with excess pressure or the planchet is bit thick and the extra metal is squeezed up out of the collar. If that's what ya got, it's probably a genuine error ( unless someone was messing around trying to make one of the so called no motto coins ).
Actually the edges aren't really supposed to be flat with beveled edges. if the coins were struck a little slower and the dies given the chance to fill properly the edge would be flat with just a little ronding over to become the flat surface of the rim. The bevelsa are the result of incomplete edge fill. After the blanks are edge milled to provide the upset rim and become planchets the edge is rounded like (. During the strike the planchet expands, makes contact with the collar creating the flat spot. If the coin was fully struck the edge would finally be like [. Since they aren't fully struck they look like the [ but with the corners clipped off.
Inagodawe Trust $630 huh.. I saw a disturbing post on another board that one member showed that laying one coin on another and striking it would produce the "dropped letter" impressions very easily. I surmise that the ghosted letters on the RIM EDGE are there from compression of 2 coins next to each other during the transportation of the huge ballistic bags. When the striking technique gets passed around, you'll see creative coins like "WIN GOD WE TRUST" and "INAGODAWE TRUST" etc.. going for a premium. sad. Yours may be naturally occuring.. but if you want to profit from it, sell it before people start striking on their own.
Inagodawe Trust sorry duplicate post. Oh, I'm about to post a new(to me at least) description of a GW rim error.. go look.. http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?t=22917 Whatsup Philly dog? Don't be so negative.. the iggles *probably* won't choke so bad this year
Well, I dont uderstand this. For instance mine with , the last letter is not there.( I guess u could erase the last letter before striking) Is a true dropped letter raised or incused, or can be both? I have seen some raised errors. Kinda hard to fake in my opinion. I guess mine could have been done naturally, but, I would think that would need a large amount of pressure. More pressure than can be found with the coins bouncing against each other in the large bags. Just my opinion! If the coins were struck against one another, the raised impression, would have to appear backwards. And I would think there would be other damage to the coin that was being struck. But I could be wrong!!
I was talking about the edge-letter impressions commonly seen, not your initials, but my point to you was that this can be faked just like the edge-shadow lettering.. so although yours is totally natural, soon others won't be able to trust anyone with that type of flaw. Its a cool find nonetheless. Did you say your artists initials were RAISED and BACKWARD? That's Great! You nailed the acid test for the rim shadow letters though.. If it's not a T, a upside-down D, a O, W, M, etc.. you can be SURE it is not the result of rim-contact against another coin using pressure... if it is NOT BACKWARDS! I don't know the answer to 'raised or incused' but with the shadow letters on the rim, they will LOOK raised, but in fact the surrounding metal is depressed, and the letter is as high as the rim at best. Find a R or a N or a P that is not backwards in ANY picture or auction.. If yours is raised then that's totally different than the potential faking I'm talking about.. you can't fake raised letters unless you're in Japanese maphia I guess.
