A strange overstrike

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by kirispupis, Feb 3, 2022.

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Why do you think this coin was overstruck?

  1. It was originally minted by Nikokles, who Menelaus had murdered

    2 vote(s)
    18.2%
  2. It was originally a lighter Phoenician tet

    1 vote(s)
    9.1%
  3. Mint bureaucracy/quota

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Some guy in the mint was bored

    1 vote(s)
    9.1%
  5. A complexity involving the space/time continuum and quantum entanglement

    2 vote(s)
    18.2%
  6. Something else

    1 vote(s)
    9.1%
  7. I really don't care, but it's a nice coin

    4 vote(s)
    36.4%
  1. kirispupis

    kirispupis Well-Known Member

    Recently, I picked this coin up. I bought it mainly due to the Menelaus (brother of Ptolemy I) attribution, as his coins aren't common, but I was also intrigued by the overstrike.

    It's clear that the obverse was overstruck on another Alexander tet's reverse. Similarly, the reverse was overstruck on another Alexander tet's obverse.

    I'm wondering, though, we they did this? My understanding is overstrikes are typically
    • For one ruler to remove another's coinage
    • To recycle completely worn coins
    • To move to a lower weight system
    In this case though:
    • The ruler was the same. Sure, maybe the original was minted by Pumiathon or Nikokreon, but they hardly put a differentiating stamp on their tets. It shouldn't have mattered.
    • It's clear that the original coin was in decent condition.
    • This coin is of the Athenian standard
    There are only three theories I can think of:
    • The original was minted by Nikokles, who placed his name in tiny letters along the mane. It would have been in Menelaus' interest to destroy those.
    • The original was a lighter weight Phoenician tet, and some silver was added to bring it up to the Athenian standard.
    • There was no sane reason. The mint had a quota of tets, but no silver, so they reused older ones.
    What do you think the reason was?

    menelaus.jpg
    Kings of Macedon. Alexander III ‘the Great’
    Tetradrachm Silver, 27 mm, 17.11 g, 12 h
    Salamis, struck under Menelaus, circa 315-306
    Head of Herakles to right, wearing lion skin headdress.
    Rev. AΛEΞANΔPOY Zeus seated left on low throne, holding long scepter in his left hand and eagle standing right with closed wings in his right; to left, monogram and rudder; below throne, monogram of ΠE.
    Price 3165. Light marks and with traces of overstriking
    Ex Leu​
     
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  3. sand

    sand Well-Known Member

    I didn't vote, because I cannot tell, what the original coin was, and I'm not an expert, on Alexander tetradrachms. The only evidence, of an overstrike, that I see, is on the obverse, what looks like the letters "CIA" or "SIA" or "CI(lambda)" or "SI(lambda)", in front of Heracles's mouth, and I have no idea, what that means.
    Are there any other signs, of an overstrike?
    It's an interesting coin. I've never seen an Alexander overstrike before.
    EDIT : Now I see, what seems to be an outline, of the top of Alexander's head, on the left edge, and bottom edge, of the reverse.
     
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  4. kirispupis

    kirispupis Well-Known Member

    This was what Leu wrote about it:

    Interestingly, this coin was overstruck on another Alexander tetradrachm. On the obverse, one can still discern 'ΣΙΛ' for ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ, while the reverse clearly shows the manes of the lion's scalp.
     
  5. sand

    sand Well-Known Member

    Oops. I meant Heracles's head (debatable, of course). And I see the top of Heracles's head on the left edge of the reverse, and the back of Heracles's head on the bottom edge of the reverse, where the lion's mane is, as you mentioned in your reply.
     
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