A Sestertius of Matidia

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Julius Germanicus, Jun 2, 2017.

?

Is this Matidia Sestertius genuine or a Cast?

  1. smoothed and tooled, but genuine

    4 vote(s)
    25.0%
  2. a cast fake

    12 vote(s)
    75.0%
  1. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

    My latest investment :)

    Bildschirmfoto 2017-06-02 um 11.11.40.png

    MATIDIA AVG DIVAE MARCIANAE F
    Diademed and draped bust right, hair arranged in coils on crown of head, surmounted with crescent-shaped diadem /
    PIETAS AVGVST S C
    Matidia as Pietas standing facing, placing her hands on heads of Sabina and Matidia the younger
    Sestertius, Rome 112
    28,87 g / 36 mm
    Cohen 11; BMC Trajan 1088; RIC II 761 (Trajan); CBN Trajan 932; Woytek 730 var.1.; Banti 1

    Bildschirmfoto 2017-06-02 um 11.12.05.png
     
    Andres2, TJC, dlhill132 and 8 others like this.
  2. Avatar

    Guest User Guest



    to hide this ad.
  3. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    Wow that is nice.
     
    Julius Germanicus likes this.
  4. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Awesome coin
     
    Julius Germanicus likes this.
  5. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    icerain, Curtisimo, Mikey Zee and 5 others like this.
  6. GregH

    GregH Well-Known Member

    If it wasn't sold as a Paduan, you should be entitled to your money back.
     
    Julius Germanicus likes this.
  7. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    1995870.jpg
    For compare with a real one
     
  8. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

    It puzzles me that it does match this coin in the Göttingen Coin Cabinet also:
    Bildschirmfoto 2017-06-02 um 12.00.52.png Bildschirmfoto 2017-06-02 um 12.03.47.png
     
    Mikey Zee and gregarious like this.
  9. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

    It was sold as genuine :-(.
     
  10. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    CT-JuliusGermanicus-MagtidiaPaduan.jpg CT-JuliusGermanicus-MatidiaPaduan.jpg
    evey letters has almost the same line
     
  11. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    The book "Los Sestercois del Imperio Romano" illustrates five examples of this type. To my eye, they all look much different that the OP example. None have anything like the wide rim. All have the reverse legend clearly split with PIETAS to the left of the figure and all of AVGVSTA to the right, with the figure's head up into the line of the legend. To me, the OP coin looks like a Paduan.
     
  12. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    I didn't vote because the options are not right. The question should be if it is "genuine" or "fake", not "smoothed and tooled, but genuine" or "cast fake." Fakes can be struck. I'm convinced it is fake, but not certain it is cast.
     
    gregarious likes this.
  13. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

    I have tracked down 20 presumably genuine examples now (four in Museums, sixteen in private hands) .

    Wide rims do exist, like on this one from the Berlin Museum, which is 37 mm in diameter:
    Bildschirmfoto 2017-06-02 um 17.38.43.png

    At least one specimen does indeed have the Avgusta´s A to the left:
    Bildschirmfoto 2017-06-02 um 17.31.08.png
    Others have the Pietas´S right in the middle on top of the figure´s head, like the one Ro illustrated above:

    Bildschirmfoto 2017-06-02 um 17.35.49.png
    Nevertheless obviously it cannot be that all of the three coins that not only combine these three features, but look 99 % alike (one of them a Paduan and the only clear difference I can make out in the other two the shape of the SC in the Göttingen example and the die crack in mine).
    I wrote to Göttingen University and asked them about their opinion and the history of their coin.
    I´ll keep you updated...
     
  14. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    ..those nagging doubts..
     
  15. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    ..those nagging doubts..
     
  16. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    cast fake / it is to perfect for a real one
     
    Last edited: Jun 2, 2017
  17. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Awww, that sucks ... I hate seeing you score another fake (is it from the same seller as the last one?)
     
    Julius Germanicus likes this.
  18. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    iff he paid 250 oke, whe dont know what he has paid, 5000 io would say whye did you
     
  19. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

    No, from yet another respected Auction House. If this happens yet again, I will give up this hobby :-(

    Somewhere in the middle, around 1000 USD including fees. I guess that would be a fair price for a tooled but otherwise genuine Matidia...
     
  20. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    i see to many to Agreements with the medal cast one/ thats all
     
    Julius Germanicus likes this.
  21. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    I thank that would be an extremely low price for a genuine coin of that quality. My cursory search suggested to me that $3000 might begin bidding on a genuine one. In my opinion, the reason you got it so low was most people who might want it and could afford it didn't bid, thinking it was a fake.
     
    Julius Germanicus likes this.
  22. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    it is cast/ it has the same letters as the cast one
     
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page