Seeing as how you are into toned coins i'll go to you most about toned coins from now on scince I like them as well. Here is a link to an ebay auction that I would like your honest opinion about in terms of its toning. http://cgi.ebay.com/1961-Neon-Rainb...em&pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item19bcdbe63b
Easy to post my opinion - looks like heated and AT to me. But your question is directed towards someone who knows a lot more than me, so wait for an expert.
Something about that doesn't seem just right. I can't pin point it though the toning seems to sit on top of the coin.what bothers me is that A. 99% of his sales are private and B. no returns. IMHO,This coin is telling me to stay away..Don't get me wrong I would love to bid on this though, if it's too good to be true it probably is. -Shrek
The coin itself does not scream AT but there are a whole bunch of red flags with this auction that should tell you not to buy it. The coin is a common inexpensive silver coin with dramatic rainbow toning. The photo appears enhanced and over saturated The seller describes the coin as a proof in uncirculated condition. Proofs are usually assumed to be uncirculated and those with wear are referred to as impaired proofs. This flag should make you want to find out more about the seller. The sellers other items are all uncertified common date silver coins with dramatic rainbow toning The sellers feedback while good shows every transaction as private. This E-Bay seller is notorious for selling AT coins. The problem is that his creations are getting much better and much more difficult to automatically classify as AT. My advice is to only buy rainbow toned coins graded by either PCGS or NGC until you have the experience and knowledge to answer these types of questions without assistance. And even then, don't pay huge premiums for raw rainbow toned coins.
I'm not to familiar enough with toned Roosevelts to say whether it's AT or NT. There's a member here, schatzy, who has an awesome toned Roosevelt set, hopefully he'll come along. One thing that's important to point out is the pics, they were taken under diffused lighting to show the toning. Also, like Lehigh said they appear to be a little enhanced. Personally I wouldn't buy a coin, especially a proof, from diffused light pictures only.
Whenever I see rainbow toned with strong separated colors, it screams AT to me. You simply didn't see these strong separated colors before the AT days. A coin may be exposed to elements other than oxygen, producing rainbow colors, but on earth, oxygen is one of the more abundant elements and silver oxide is grayish/black. So, I would expect a rainbow toned coin to be colorful, but the colors should be subdued by silver oxide. It would be a rare coin indeed that avoided being exposed to oxygen.
Like I've said before. STAY away from this seller. I'm not Lehigh but I have collected coins for a while and have seen many in hand. Now that this is brought up, I was threatened by a member here because I said that the sellers coins are AT and of course been me, I could care less what that member said, I just laughed at his dumb threats talking about "I'm going to take you out there Rigo. The seller is my friend and will let him know blah blah blah!"....LOL. IMO, if you're friends with the doctor, marry him and stop whining! I think he might be the actual seller and that's why he gets offended if people say this sellers coins are ATed. BTW Lehigh, his coins will NOT get certified. TPG's probably already know him and just refused to put them in slabs so the seller probably gave up sending them in.
To my knowledge, the graders are not privy to the identity of the submitter when grading coins. I am not even sure this seller is interested in getting them slabbed. Seems to me that he makes quite a little profit selling them raw to unsuspecting inexperienced coin collectors.
Is it safe to say that the 1960D franklin he has on there right now would be a coin that would pass your test??? Lets assume it was on a dealers table and not surrounded by all the hoopla. The coin the OP asked about it prolly the most obvious. the other roosevelt would grade in my opinion
None of those coins would pass my test because they are raw. When I see very common inexpensive coins with dramatic rainbow toning that is an unusual pattern for the series and the coin is raw, I just keep on walking. But like I said, he is getting much better. His coins used to be very easy to spot as AT. Some of them are approaching the market acceptable stage which is scary. The Rosie in the OP appears to be a proof buy the color patterns are not that far off. They would easily fool an inexperienced collector. Here is a mint state Rosie with a similar toning pattern. Radiating from the center the progression of the coin in the OP is right, yellow-magenta-cyan which mimics how an album target toned coin appears. I really hope this seller is content to stick with raw coins and is not submitting his best to the TPG's.
well all silver roosies are common.......part of me wants to buy the franklin and submit it........i think it would grade, although i agree its prolly AT
