A London mint Galerius as Augustus follis variant?

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  1. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Galerius Maximian as Augustus:

    There is a special problem with Galerius as Augustus coins: The titulature is exactly the same as that of Maximian Herculius and frequently the only way to differentiate between the two is by the portraiture on the coin obverse. The RIC, Volume VI, Londinium, Group II, header lists the Galerius Maximian titulature prefixed with 2 as follows:

    2a IMP C MAXIMIANVS PIVS FEL AVG
    2b IMP C MAXIMIANVS P FEL AVG
    2c IMP C MAXIMIANVS P F AVG
    2d IMP C MAXIMIANVS P AVG
    2e IMP C MAXIMIANVS P F IN AVG
    2f IMP MAXIMIANVS P F AVG

    Galerius Maximian as Augustus:

    [​IMG] [​IMG]
    IMP C MAXIMIANVS P F AVG

    GENIO POPV -- LI ROMANI

    No. 42 - Genius reverse depiction: draped loins (?) and towered head-dress (?).

    Reference: A transitional issue from the Roman Mint at London - a PDF by Hubert J. Cloke

    Identical obverse inscription (2C) to the primary one of Maximian Herculius.

    Added via Edit:

    Note: Caution should be exercised when attributing the coins of Galerius Maximian & Maximian Herculius due to the similarity of their titulature. Galerius Maximian was both Caesar and Augustus during this time period whereas Maximian Herculius was always only Augustus. Therefor, coins bearing the titulature MAXIMIANVS and NOBIL CAES, NOB CAES, NOBIL C, etc.can only be those of Galerius Maximian. There is a special problem with Galerius as Augustus coins: The titulature is exactly the same as that of Maximian Herculius and frequently the only way to differentiate between the two is by the portraiture on the coin obverse.
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice, is it yours?

    I only have this.

    [​IMG]
    Galerius (305 - 311 A.D.)
    Æ(S) Follis
    O: MAXIMIANVS NOB CAES, Laureate head right.
    R: SACRA MONET AVGG ET CAESS NOSTR, Moneta standing left, holding scales and cornucopia, SIS in exergue, star in left field, B in right field.
    Siscia 301 A.D.
    10.08g
    28mm
    RIC VI 135b Sisci
     
  4. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Yes it is Mat. I have added a note to my original post via Edit relating to the problems involved when attributing Galerius folles. That is a nice coin you posted Mat.
     
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  5. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    I just got this example from Maximianus, differentiated from Galerius by the nose.


    Maximianus London 6b_17.JPG
     
  6. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Nice coin and very good exemplar Victor.
     
  7. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    By way of example, here is a London mint follis of Galerius as Caesar:

    No. 33

    [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Obverse legend/titulature: MAXIMIANVS NOBIL C
     
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  8. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    And Maximian Herculius (Maximianus) who never was Caesar:
    RIC, Volume VI, Londinium, No. 6b

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Obverse legend/titulature:

    IMP C MAXIMIANVS PF AVG
     
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  9. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Here is another Galerius from London, as NOB CAES: GaleriusGPRLondon1.jpg

    By the way in the OP I don't see
    I just see a little roughness and regular naked loins. Am I misunderstanding something?
     
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  10. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Here are two of mine from old practice photos....the first was sold to me as Maximianus decades ago but it seems to actually be Galerius as well (RE: NOBCAES)?

    Maxentius, Galerius and Maximianus 004.JPG Maxentius, Galerius and Maximianus 005.JPG Maxentius, Galerius and Maximianus 006.JPG Maxentius, Galerius and Maximianus 007.JPG
     
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  11. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    I think this Galerius as Caesar is the only London issues I have from this period.

    IMG_8654.JPG
     
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  12. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Gal Val maximinus is maximinus ii, from my read of the titulature.
     
  13. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    It shows up better in Hugh Cloke's PDF ......... or, my eyesight is failing me more than I imagine and I am miss-attributing the coin (wouldn't be the first time). He (Genius) does not appear to be bare-footed though and the head-dress is atypical. I will add a ? to the thread title in the interest of attribution integrity.
     
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  14. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Yes.
     
  15. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Yes, it is.
     
  16. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    That is a nice coin zumbly -- well centered and with clear inscriptions. The portrait of Galerius is bold and typical for the period.
     
  17. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Very nice @jamesicus ...

    I only have this version:

    RI Galerius 293-308 AE30mm Folles Ticinum mint Moneta 12g.jpg
    RI Galerius 293-308 AE30mm Folles Ticinum mint Moneta 12g
     
  18. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I only have one 'confusing' coin. It is a small 1/5th follis? and had little room for enough letters to spell GAL. How many mints made Galerius folles with AVG and no GAL?
    ru4020bb2327.jpg
     
  19. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    I do not know.
     
  20. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    check out the transitional period for Maximianus and Galerius at the Lyons mint for more confusion.
     
  21. gogili1977

    gogili1977 Well-Known Member

    Correct me if I'm wrong, the first two follis are Maximian, and the next four are Galerius?
    Maximian(2)?
    120-01A-Maximianus1.jpg 120-01B.jpg
    120-02A.jpg 120-02B.jpg
    Galerius (3)?
    122-01A-Galerius1.jpg 122-01B.jpg
    122-02A.jpg 122-02B.jpg
    122-03A.jpg 122-03B.jpg
     
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