A Coin Nobody Wanted

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by David Atherton, Dec 11, 2017.

  1. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    This coin sat in the seller's store for many months. Listed at a fair price too. A couple of weeks ago I decided to give it a home. It's my first brockage, hopefully it won't be my last.

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    Vespasian Brockage
    AR Denarius, 2.92g
    Rome mint, 69-70 AD
    RIC - . BMC - . RSC - .
    Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
    Rev: Incuse of obverse
    Acquired from Aegean, December 2017.

    Based on style and obverse legend this brockage is from the Vespasian's first denarius issues at Rome. Someday I would love to find an obverse die match.

    Here is @dougsmit's excellent page on brockages. http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/brock.html

    Post your unwanted coins!
     
    Last edited: Dec 12, 2017
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  3. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Great coin. I almost got this one myself.
     
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  4. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Always wanted a brockage
     
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  5. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Most brockages have the incuse image quite clear. Because it is incuse it is not very subject to wear, as opposed to the regular obverse sin relief which can show wear in the usual manner. I am having a hard time understanding this OP coin as a brockage (which is not to say I understand it any other way). Why does the OP image of the "reverse" not show a perfect incuse of an unworn obverse? Brockages do.
     
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  6. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Nice catch David. Here is a coin that sat in the dealer's offering for months before I decided to buy it. I actually thought about this coin for several months before finally buying it. I do not know why I waited so long. I knew as soon as I saw it that I wanted it.

    galba ric 193.jpg

    Galba AR denarius, VF, Rome mint, ( 3.512g, 19.0mm, 180o), Nov 68 - Jan 69 A.D.;
    elegant style, light toning on nice surfaces, high-points flatly struck,
    Obv: IMP SER GALBACAESAR AVG, laureate head right;
    Rev: HISPANIA (counterclockwise starting on left), Hispania advancing left, draped, poppy and two stalks of grain in extended right hand, round shield and two transverse spears in left hand;
    RIC I 193 (R2), BMCRE I 16, RSC II 83, BnF III 89, Hunter I 1 var. (no CAESAR, Aug - Oct 68), SRCV I (2000) 2103 var. (same)
    Ex: the Jyrki Muona Collection; Ex: Forum Ancient Coins
    Purchased from Forum Ancient Coins August 30, 2016
    Coin depicted in the Wildwinds.com database.
     
  7. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    So, perhaps not unwanted after all!
     
  8. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    It's not fully struck up and in hand the reverse is clearly an incuse image of the obverse. Granted, the picture could be better, but I digress.
     
    Last edited: Dec 12, 2017
  9. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    I have only one brockage, this Faustina Junior provincial bronze with rather rough surfaces. It doesn't photograph well at all:
    Faustina Jr provincial brockage.jpg
     
  10. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    I only have one 'brockage'---and a flawed example at that;) but since it was a 'legionary' type (and cheap) I wanted it:p

    If my remaining budget allowed, I would have sprung for that super cool example that was offered in the Stevex6 collection.:hungry:


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  11. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    I've never seen a legionary brockage before. Fantastic find!
     
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  12. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I don't have any "unwanted" coins in my collection. I actually really enjoy them all, as there are cool historical reasons that I captured them.

    I can toss out a couple Athena Owls (my first purchases), that I perceive were unwanted. However, as I researched the bankers marks, I found that they have a neat story!

    On the Athenian Owl, I understand that bankers were not afraid to chop or test the coin between the Owl's eyes. Kind of a dig at Athens. However, Greek bankers were reluctant to deface the Goddess Athena, being a powerful goddess. Mine are kind of cool with bankers chops all over Athena's faces, and not damaging the Owls. I am curious as to why. @dougsmit suggested that they may had traded well out of the Greek world, and either were ignorant of or not cared about Athena. Would love to know the mystery behind them... perhaps they were traded in Celtic areas, or accross the Persian Empire, etc...

    I can just see the Bankers punching these coins:
    "BAMM!!! You suck Athens!" "CHUNK!!! your goddess is not real!!!" or "WHACK!!! Who is this idiot on the coin? I just want to make sure it is a hunk of silver!"
    Athens Owl 17.4g  20-4x7-5mm Obv-Rev edge-crud.jpg
    Attica Owl 17-2g  22x6-7mm Obv-Rev.jpg
    Athens Owl 16-8g  22x6-5mm Obv-Rev.jpg
     
  13. Makanudo

    Makanudo Well-Known Member

    Like, like like like like.
     
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  14. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice capture, David!
     
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  15. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Now, that is one cool brockage!
     
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