A Case of Encasement...

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  1. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    Anyone see anything interesting here?

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  3. Dearborn

    Dearborn Above average collector - Is that an Error?

    Ya, it looks like the bottom coin was viced up against the upper coin to get the shamrock on it.
     
  4. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis OWNER - EBS Numis LLC

    Don't think so. It would be reversed in that case
     
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  5. Silverpop

    Silverpop Well-Known Member

    IMHO just a damaged coin nothing of any value
     
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  6. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis OWNER - EBS Numis LLC

    So this insinuates they place the coin in the aluminum, then add the detail to it?
     
  7. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    If I recall correctly (could be totally off :p), some were made that way (coin placed into the ring and then the design is struck).
     
  8. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Cent was not properly placed in the hole of the aluminum ring before the encasement was struck. You see this occasionally happen with the center pieces of bimetallic coins as well
     
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  9. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    That happens with vice jobs.
    This issue is a different process.
     
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  10. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Well now, that's an interesting piece. I did not realize until now that some of these encased pieces were struck with the "passenger" coin already inserted into the aluminum ring. Neato.

    A non-error version of the "horseshoe & clover" type, albeit from different dies.

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  11. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    Not reversed.

    The inside of the Encasement is recessed, so it would appear raised and correct-facimg on the coin, just as it does
     
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  12. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Cool piece. As a normal, the strike is what holds the coin in the holder. Sometimes the design will show on the rims of the coin. I have never seen one where the coin was not in place when struck.
    These images are a bit more normal.
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  13. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    The things I learn here every day is beyond belief. Thanks for sharing
     
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  14. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    I'm confused. Are we talking about the first two photos, or the encased token?
     
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  15. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    anything on the coin that you see on the encasement
     
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  16. CygnusCC

    CygnusCC Roping the Learns Supporter

    So, did the cent slide down in front of the aluminum (or pewter?) encasement prior to the strike, get stamped with the clover and stretched when struck, but the encasement ring was soft enough that the cent retained the e pluribus unum on the back?
     
  17. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Bingo.

    The blank aluminum ring is placed in the collar on the anvil die and the coin is supposed to be placed in the hole in the ring. The dies then strike the ring impressing the design and the inward movement of the ring locks the two pieces together. (this is why a coin removed from an encasement often shows a concave edge. The metal of the ring dents it inward.) Sometimes the ring design also overlaps the edge of the coin to help bond the two together as in the pieces that Idhair showed.

    In the case of the OP coin it was not placed correctly in the center hole but instead overlapped and lay on top of the ring. When the piece was then struck the four leaf clover design was struck into the cent. The aluminum is soft so the E Pluribus Unum was not wiped out and if the ring piece was available you would see on it where the design of the cent was impressed into the ring in reverse where the clover should have been.

    The force of the strike also stretched the cent out of shape.

    The flattened area on the obv of the cent was caused by the doken die. These dies have a shallow recessed "hole" in the center of the die so that the die does not damage the coin when it is properly in place. But since in this case since the coin was out of place it made contact with the bottom of the recess and the lower area of Lincolns' bust was flattened.
     
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