A 'BUY or BID' Surprise

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Mikey Zee, Jan 27, 2017.

  1. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    About six weeks ago I was drawn to a HJB (Harlan Berk) 'buy or bid' sale, primarily because they mentioned a modest shipping fee and minus a buyer's premium. The 'estimates' at which one could immediately purchase the coins seemed a bit high but you could bid virtually any amount you preferred---roughly speaking the percentage of the estimate you bid was equal to the probability of winning the lot. I bid on about twelve coins in the following ranges: 1/3 10-40%; 1/3 50-70%; 1/3 80-90%. Almost immediately the higher percentage bids were purchased at estimate and the remaining lots at higher bids than I placed as the days passed....but one remained that I lost track of and it turned out I won it at my bid of 40% of the estimate, although that was still substantially below a post-auction listed 'reserve'.

    This Republican denarius was high on my 'want list' for quite a while and has that neat 'oath' reverse of two soldiers touching a pig with their swords. Like most coins of the type, it displays signs of substantial circulation and has that lightly toned appearance that most of us prefer. The Veturii were one of the most ancient gens of Rome, with both patrician and plebian sects and they were said to originate from the Sabines. The reverse refers to the involvement/oath that ancestors of this gens took to join the Italian states at the end of the third Samnite War, ca. 290 BC.

    I tried two photos on my own since I was unable to download the seller's listing....I think my less than perfect attempt better captures the toning and silvery surface....but I still have lighting issues LOL

    Please share whatever you feel is relevant:)

    Ti. Veturius; 137 BC, Denarius, 3.90g. Cr-234/1, Syd-527, RSC Veturia-1. Obv: Helmeted and draped bust of Mars r., X and TI VET behind. Rx: Youth kneeling l., between two warriors who touch with their swords a pig which he holds, ROMA above.. Toned VF

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  3. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Wow! VERY nice and it sounds like a wonderful surprise on the price! Congrats Mike! Well centered, nice wear, great history; the Solemn Oath Scene is one of my favorite themes.
     
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  4. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Oath Scenes:

    RR Veturius 137 BCE AR Den Mars X Oath Scene pig S 111 Cr 234-1 Obv-Rev.jpg
    ROMAN REPUBLIC
    TI VETURIUS
    AR Denarius, 18mm, 3.8g
    Obv: Helmeted bust of Mars right
    Rev: Youth kneeling l. holding pig, between two warriors who touch with their swords, ROMA above
    Rome 137 BCE
    Sear 111, Craw 234/1


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    Marsic Confederation / Italian Allies
    Social War 90-88 BCE
    AR Denarius
    19x17.9mm, 3.7g
    Anonymous Issue, Corfinium Mint
    Obv: Italia head, l, ITALIA behind
    Rev: Oath-taking scene with eight warriors, four on each side, pointing their swords towards a sacrificial pig, which is held by an attendant kneeling at the foot of a standard.
    Comment: The reverse is based on the gold Stater and Half-Stater from the Second Punic War, and the Ti Viturius denarius...
    Ref: Sear 227; SYD 621
     
  5. alde

    alde Always Learning

    Nice coin and interesting subject.
     
  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    These are interesting coins with an historical reverse. Yours is in great condition. Congrats.
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  7. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    LOVE the posts!!

    @Bing Yours has so much detail----even a beard on Mars??? WOW!!

    Here's another 'series' of the OP that I took without cropping....perhaps a bit better as to how i perceive it with the naked eye.
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  8. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    A wonderful coin. Congrats!
     
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  9. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Very nice pick up, by coincidence I looked at was left on that auction.
     
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  10. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    Great suprise Mikey.
    Your photos are way better than mine. :D I seem to have more than a light issue, lol. I try :snaphappy:
     
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  11. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Very cool surprise!
     
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  12. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    Bidding when you have a budget (and we all do), is a bit of art, a bit of science and a lot of luck. The stars aligned on this coin for you.
    This is a nice transition coin from years of Roma obverse silver coins.
     
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  13. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Thanks for the comments guys!!

    Naturally, I still hope to get a few that pre-date this type that so many of you already have.

    I still try too but I never seem to get much better at it. Next I'll purchase a quality lighting system and probably even photo-shop. Hope that helps since I'm still lost when it comes to 'manual' and shutter speeds LOL
     
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  14. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Great choice, Mikey! The pictures of the coin in the mini-easels are really nice :)

    I have a modest example of the type. Whenever I see it I hear voiceover in my head, with Prince Humperdink (Chris Sarandon in The Princess Bride) saying "I solemnly swear upon this pig..."

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    Roman Republic, Ti. Veturius
    137 BCE, Rome
    AR denarius, 3.85 gm
    Obv: Helmeted bust of Mars right
    Rev: youth kneeling left, holding pig; two soldiers standing holding spear and touching pig with swords. ROMA above.
    Ref: Crawford 234/1, Sydenham 527, RSC Veturia 1
     
  15. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    that's pretty sweet MZ, your second pic there is really good!
     
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  16. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Nice one, Mikey. I missed out on one of these recently. Still on The List...
     
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  17. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    Congratulations on your oath scene, Mikey!
     
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