A Budget Bronze of Tiberius/Livia

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Mikey Zee, Sep 2, 2016.

  1. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    This AE-20 was offered on FORVM'S free auction site by a seller I have purchased from numerous times before and seemed to be obtainable at 'low retail' until the last hour of the auction when it went for about 'average retail' shipped. It's a very scarce type and in FINE + grade with substantial 'circulatory' wear. But the devices, although heavily worn, are well centered, the legends decipherable and so it caught my eye and interest. Livia and Tiberius facing each other plus a tetrastyle temple containing a statue of the deified Augustus within were more than I could resist----although I wish I had a bit more room in my budget for an example with sharper details.....

    The Greek inscription appears to mention the pro-consul Petronius and the fact it was struck in Pergamon while he held that office....

    AE-20 of Mysia, Pergamon---P Petronius, Pro-consul, circa 27-35 AD
    Draped bust of Livia, laureate head of Tiberius facing each other.

    Tetrastyle temple with 'clipeus' (military shield) in pediment,
    containing statue of deified Augustus with spear.
    RPC 2369; 4.13 grams

    Please post any dual portrait coins you may wish to share:)

    tiberius livia ae-25 pegamon terastyle temple aug stayue RPC 2369 4.13 grams.JPG tiberius livia temple pergamon.JPG
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Nice coin @Mikey Zee. I was looking at this particular coin. Glad it went to a good foster home.
     
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  4. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Way cool Mikey! I can see the Husband/Wife whisper... "Tibby, you have bad breath...get a TicTac..."
     
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  5. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Thats a nice bronze, I like it alot.
     
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  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I always felt TWO HEADS were always better than one...

    Dual Portraits:


    RI Didumenian and Macrinus 217-218 CE AE28 Markianopolis mint Serapis Obv-Rev.jpg
    RI Didumenian and Macrinus 217-218 CE AE28 Markianopolis mint Serapis Obv-Rev.jpg

    RR AE Aes Grave Sextans 270 BCE 37mm 55-28g Dioscuri R and L Obv-Rev.JPG
    RR AE Aes Grave Sextans 270 BCE 37mm 55.3g Dioscuri R and L Obv-Rev.JPG
    ( :D IS that CHEATING??? )

    RR Anon AE Sextans-Hieron II Overstrike 214-212 BCE S1211 Cr69-6 Obv-Rev.jpg
    RR Anon AE Sextans-Hieron II Overstrike 214-212 BCE S1211 Cr69-6 Obv-Rev.jpg
    Mercury struck over Poseidon??? :D

    RR Anon Quadrigatus 225-215 BCE Cr 28-3 S 31 Obv-Rev.jpg
    Dual portrait, same HEAD???
    RR Anon Januform Quadrigatus 225-215 BCE Cr 28-3 S 31 Obv-Rev.jpg

    RR Cordius Rufus 46 BCE AR Den Jugate Dioscuri Venus scales S 440 Cr 463-1 Obv-Rev.jpg
    RR Cordius Rufus 46 BCE AR Den Jugate Dioscuri Venus scales S 440 Cr 463-1 Obv-Rev.jpg


    LOL, OK, so I stretched the rules... Ooops... I am always known for pushing the boundaries... :D
     
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  7. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    cool provincial MZ...facing bust are always neat..that temple with the statue is awesome.

    was there a giant statue of augustus in pergamon?
     
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  8. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    @Mikey Zee , I recognize that coin also. I bought 3 coins from that seller 1st time. Just paid last night so not even shipped yet. Was having jitters being 1st time dealing with this seller. Emails seems to be honest dealer, glad to see someone else has bought from him successfully. I can set the worries behind me now.
    Nice addition by the way!!
     
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  9. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    That coin has a lot of eye appeal. Love the patina and the overall style.
     
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  10. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    :p
    I'm uncertain but I'm sure there were and this 'type' was probably well known at the time.

    Great seller and the coins are promptly shipped.

    Thanks for the comments and posts guys!! Have you noticed Livia looks a lot like the 'wicked witch' of the West:p Or perhaps Brian nailed it and her 'expression' is due to Tiberius' extreme halitosis:eek::smuggrin:

    I LOVE the two (or three portraits) for one types (but I seem to get outbid on most i went for)......seems like you're getting more than your money's worth LOL

    I'll add one like Brian's RR janiform, one of Pompey and Philip II with Serapis: rr janiform furius.JPG rr janoform firius reverse.JPG Pompey the great, jani-form AS.jpg Philip II and Serapis  moesia inferior.JPG
     
  11. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    Augustus, AE24, Kingdom of Thrace Jugate heads
    604 RR RPC 1 1711md spanje.JPG
     
  12. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Moesia Inferior, Marcianopolis. Caracalla with Julia Domna (117-217 AD) 338_large_fb558f62c103225261f67857ae5b6461.jpeg Macrinus and Diadumenian, Thrace Marcianopolis 217-218 AD. 2015-01-07 01.08.10-6.jpg
     
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  13. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Livia was the mother of Tiberius and widow of Augustus when the OP coin was issued. Below she appears jugate on an AE19 of Ephesus with Augustus during his lifetime giving her the unusual situation of appearing jugate with more than one emperor.
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  14. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Nice dual portraits through this thread. The OP coin is gorgeous stylewise

    Q
     
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  15. Johndakerftw

    Johndakerftw Mr. Rogers is My Hero

    Awesome coins, everyone!

    I can actually contribute my own coin to this thread.

    AUGUSTUS WITH AGRIPPA

    I'm not home to take my own pics right now, so here's the seller's:

    5DfZm8oT7DAbq35KXX9j4rnSgQ6o2e.jpg

    Erin
     
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  16. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    That's a cool coin Doug---a type I'd love to have.... and it hadn't occurred to me that any of the Imperial ladies appeared on the coinage of more than one Emperor. The only possibility that comes to mind is one of the Julia's from the Severan dynasty...but if one did, I'm sure you would have posted it.

    That's a very nice example Erin--the skinny Croc version of which I STILL only have half.....
    agusutus agrippa duondius HALF or one Ass.jpg


    Wonderful posts everyone!!!!
     
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  17. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    Looking good MZ!
     
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  18. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Augustus and Livia Hispalis.jpg

    AUGUSTUS AND LIVIA
    Roman provincial AE 31
    Spain, Hispalis, Colonia Romula, AD 14-29
    21.48 g, 31 mm
    Obv: PERM DIVI AVG COL ROM, radiate head of Augustus r.; thunderbolt before, star above.
    Rev: IVLIA AVGVSTA GENETRIX ORBIS, head of Livia, l.; globe beneath, crescent above.
    RPC-73; SGI-189; Heiss 393, 2; Cohen 169, 3; Alvarez-Burgos 1587; Lindgren II 69; SNG Tubingen 118; SNG Copenhagen 423.13.35
     
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