Not sure exactly where to post this so here it is. I picked up some tokens today. A few I'm reasonably sure are Conders. Not sure of all though. Any help in identification, Rulau and value would be sincerely appreciated. The first scan gives a better representation of the true color of these. I lightened up the others to get a better shot at detail. http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/clembo1872/scan0001-15.jpg http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/clembo1872/scan0002-23.jpg http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/clembo1872/scan0003-20.jpg http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/clembo1872/scan0004-15.jpg http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/clembo1872/scan0005-12.jpg clembo
Here's three more. The last is much smaller than the others. http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/clembo1872/scan0006-9.jpg http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/clembo1872/scan0007-8.jpg http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/clembo1872/scan0008-3.jpg http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/clembo1872/scan0009-2.jpg http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/clembo1872/scan0010-1.jpg http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x275/clembo1872/scan0011-1.jpg Once again, Thanks for any help. clembo
Lancashire Lancaster 1794 D&H 43-48 (depending upon edge inscription and other minor distinctions). Need the edge inscription to narrow down.
Clembo - the edge inscription is critical to distinguishing these tokens and their rarity. As you know, rarity along with condition and demand drive value. The demand side is still small given that Conders are still not as actively collected as other areas of numismatics (thankfully!). The tokens depicted don't seem to be in great shape either. Even so, if the edge inscription indicates a small number minted, then condition will be less important. By the way, I looked up your tokens using Conder101's brilliant cross reference guide to the Dalton & Hamer reference book. If he sees this post, I'm sure he will correct any oversights or mistaken subsequent posts (after you provide edge inscriptions) that I've made.
Cat, Tokens are just not my thing. I like em, I just know nothing about them. And boy this is going to sound stuuupid, but what do you mean "edge inscription"?
Not a stupid question. It means the writing or inscription on the edge of the token, if any. Many have words like "payable in London" (or another location) or other markings. So, in Dalton & Hamer (the reference bible for Conder collectors) these distinctions are catalogued and rarity ratings are provided for many, but not all varieties. These inscriptions are essential to know, especially in determing value. For example, on the Norfolk Norwich 13, there are the following inscriptions options: 13 - RICHARD BACON COCKEY LANE 13a - PAYABLE AT THE WAREHOUSE OF THOMAS CLARK 13b - PAYABLE AT SOUTH SHIELDS AND LONDON . X 13c - CURRENT EVERY WHERE 13d - EMSWORTH HALFPENNY. PAYABLE BY IOHN STRIDE 13e - Plain (not in collar) 13a and 13d are RRR or less than 12 made 13b and 13c are considered RR or less than 24 made. The rest are common and, according to Arthur Waters' notes, about 103,000 were made between the Norfolk Norwich 12 and 13 combined. Now, aren't you glad you asked?
Catbert, Thanks for the information. I shall dig further into the edge inscriptions. I realize they are not in great shape but why not? They were "walk ins" at the shop and came to me cheap. clembo
Sorry Clembo , Catbert gives me the little info I know on Condors , I love the Double headed Eagle obverse and the beehive reverse , still very interesting tokens I do plan to get a couple codors when I save some money , Check out Catberts Condors , they are amazing . rzage
Lancashire 43 (center of crown point at upright of K. Only one 43 - 48 that does that.) Comes with three edge varieties 43 PAYABLE IN LANCASTER LONDON OR BRISTOL common 43a PAYABLE AT S & T ASHLEY very rare 43b PAYABLE AT THE TEMPLE OF THE MUSES common You missed what he said about the smaller size. This is a farthing not a halfpenny and it is Cambridgeshire 36 (milled edge) common, or 36a (plain edge) scarce On the halfpenny the date and head are placed higher, the date is almost straight and not in the same curve as the rest of the legend. The arrangement of the bees is also different. I agree on the other three.
