5 Cent Webbing Strip

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by JCro57, Feb 27, 2019.

  1. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    A pretty decent size. Took me a looooong time to find one. Scanned 74.4% copper and the rest as nickel. A 5 cent blank doesn't quite fit, but that isn't out of the ordinary since the cut-and-tear edges aren't a clean cut like puzzle piece edges. Can't say for certain, but my gut tells me it is kosher for U.S. nickels.

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  3. BoonTheGoon

    BoonTheGoon Grade A mad lad

    where do you even get that stuff? Its nutty, I like it!
     
  4. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    People in the Buffalo area know I collect errors. I get referrals and also do educational tables at shows.
     
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  5. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    And just a small piece of that is considered a Mint Error..
    From my collection -
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  6. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Why is that considered a Mint Error? Isn't the webbing sold as scrap metal?
     
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  7. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    Ok. Got the report back from scan of this strip. I think I can say it is definitely a webbing strip consistent with the production of U.S. nickels.

    Interestingly, 20 different metals were recorded in the scan (likely residual metal particles). Here are a few of the other metals picked up by the Fischerscope X-Ray XAN 250 scanner:

    74.4% Copper
    23.86% Nickel
    .443% Manganese
    .296% Gold
    .270% Iron
    .097% Zinc
    .053% Platinum
    .044% Lead
    .040% Silver

    @Fred Weinberg why else would these metals show up?

    ~Joe C.
     
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  8. Evan8

    Evan8 A Little Off Center

    There is also webbing on ebay from the 1943 steel cents. Almost bought one once.
     
  9. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    It was the only way for me to 'get the lead out'

    OK, a weak attempt at humor.

    I don't know why all those other small amounts show up,
    but it's common. Most of the spectrograph analysis reports
    I've seen show trace elements, but I don't recall seeing Platinum,
    gold, or lead in those reports.

    It's possible the XRay scanner picked up some things that
    it translated to platinum and lead, etc........just don't know for sure.


    With the listed composition for nickels being 75% and 25%, and
    those basically the same numbers for your strip, that's what counts.

    Most of the other metals, imo, are just from the Xray gun or scope.
     
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  10. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    Awesome. Thank you. This is the first actual nickel strip I have ever seen.

    And I love the joke and your cents of humor.
     
  11. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    Great question.
     
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  12. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    The quick and dirty answer is that the algorithm in the machine has trouble differentiating between the spectra lines for diff elements. Many times, the peaks for various elements overlap and the algorithm can't different between a minor peak for an element that is a major constituent and a major peak for a minor constituent if they are close to the same energy levels. Expensive equipment found in analytical labs does a much better job of sorting out the minor element.

    In simple English - For handheld machines, ignore the trace element data.

    One of the chemy/sciency guys like @Kentucky, @desertgem, or @Lehigh96 may be able to give a better explanation
     
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  13. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    sounds good to me
     
  14. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    When you say a nickel doesn't quite fit, is it larger or smaller than the holes?
     
  15. David Colquhoun

    David Colquhoun Active Member

    Very cool ..never saw this before
     
  16. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    Well, a struck nickel shouldn't fit, and a few of my blanks don't fit. Being basically ripped out of the coin metal strips during the blanking process, it isn't uncommon that they don't fit sometimes.
     
  17. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Sounds about right.
     
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  18. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    This is my theory.. Yes the webbing might be sold as scrap but the BowTie Clip Blank was a piece that was cut by mistake when punching the Planchets. The cutter meant to punch a full blank but instead cut an already cut section of the metal sheet resulting in a Bowtie. Then the Bowtie pieces can be found in Mint Sewn Bags.. Does that make sense?

    Think of Bowtie pieces that are actually struck with the denomination it was meant for. These were not struck.
     
  19. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    But at some point the mint started chopping the webbing up into tiny pieces for easier handling and more compact storage, and when you chop up webbing you get...bowties. now examination of the points of the bowtie might be able to tell you if it was punched out of the strip, or if it is from chopping.
     
  20. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Just wanted to share these 4 examples that are on ebay at the moment.. The prices they are asking for are ludicrous!
    Seller must be crazy! :facepalm:
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  21. Prez2

    Prez2 Well-Known Member

    I was wondering the same thing. It is nutty enough to be appealing too.
     
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