2019 D Extreme Defective Copper Plating Shield Cent

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Gorham_Collector, Aug 30, 2023.

  1. Gorham_Collector

    Gorham_Collector Specializing in Shield Cents

    The best one I’ve ever seen. Super happy to add it to the shield cent collection.
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  3. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Just trying to learn. Don't hit me, I'm old. :oldman:
    ARE you sure this is what you say it is? Got proof? It looks like the old PMD to me. ;)
     
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  4. cwart

    cwart Senior Member

    The abrasion marks are making me, like @SensibleSal66 , think PMD.
     
  5. Gorham_Collector

    Gorham_Collector Specializing in Shield Cents

    I’m 100% sure.
    lol I like that old man emoji :oldman:
    I can see why one could think that. Perception, understanding how a coin is struck. And understanding damage. And how one thinks of that in their mind and perceives it Is all key to understanding that this is genuine. (I say my mind thinks differently than others when looking at coin and my perception is very different too when looking at coins.)
    Characteristics are all there for defective copper plating others have been graded by ngc too as such.
    The first two graded by ngc (not my coins) the third coin 2019 is mine.
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  6. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Okay, cool. Is there a collectable market for these errors monetarily?
     
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    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

  8. Gorham_Collector

    Gorham_Collector Specializing in Shield Cents

    I mean there’s a collectable market for any error on a coin.
    Defective copper plating on a shield cent. Isn’t as big I feel collected hence people think damage so don’t bother.
    Money wise for sure those graded ones sold for 100’s on heritage.
     
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  9. Gorham_Collector

    Gorham_Collector Specializing in Shield Cents

    And going from memorial incomplete plating to shield cents is gonna look very different.
    The style of the design how the die strikes the coin it’s not as sharp it’s more dull looking. How it gets plated it’s all different from the past.
    And these are really the first times we r seeing defective copper plating on shield cents so it’s new to the eyes
     
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  10. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    It's hard to tell from Pics what's going on. That's why some doubt it. ;) I just want to know how you can tell? Is the Zinc layer smooth? Is that it? o_O
     
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  11. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Is it worth grading and how much to do so? If you don't mind me asking? I'm just curious to know what these are worth ungraded as opposed to graded. I have a penny that's all Zinc and found out it's been acid dipped. Bummer. :(
    Are you having it attributed and graded?
     
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  12. Gorham_Collector

    Gorham_Collector Specializing in Shield Cents

    I can just tell when looking at it etc the characteristics and how it looks not damage at all.
    again idk how to describe it my mind looks at coins in a different and my perception is different.
    Yea the zinc layer is smooth in other parts sometimes it looks gritty due to the copper and zinc not bonding and peeling away.
    Also if I’d take a closer image you can see where the copper plating ends and goes to the zinc. It’s a step affect continually going from zinc to copper if you were to peel away copper from zinc you’d get that slightly raised area.
     
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  13. Gorham_Collector

    Gorham_Collector Specializing in Shield Cents

    It’d be worth grading to me if I wanted to sell it. Idk how much grading costs never sent a coin to be graded.
    ungraded vs graded eh depends on the fair market and who’s seeing the coin at the moment.
    Of course if I were to sell if grade it people would go for a nice high ms grade and the error ofc on it.
    But as a collector I know what I’m looking at I’d pay a fair price for it ungraded.
    Acid dipped would be an obvious sign characteristics wise when it is on a shield cent.
     
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  14. PamR

    PamR You Never Know! Supporter

    From the link.
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  15. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    A great-looking example. Surely the result of delamination of the plated planchet before strike.
     
  16. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    But isn’t the zinc polished before plating?
     
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  17. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Very good question. 5d4b3caf935075e3f7b835aa_thought-leadership-ohmconnect-t-o-u-rates-emoji.png
     
  18. 71Avalon

    71Avalon Well-Known Member

    Here's one that I own. Graded by PCGS as 80% unplated. It's one of my favorite.

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  19. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Consider, if you will, that the cost of polishing a zinc blank before plating would exceed the saved difference in material cost between the copper and zinc cores. For a much greater denomination, perhaps the Mint would invest in polishing the blanks, but not for a one cent piece.
     
  20. PamR

    PamR You Never Know! Supporter

    Yes compared to the photo of the link.
     
  21. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    You need to distinguish incomplete plating from damaged plating. The 2019-D cent and the 2019 cent were struck on planchets that had part of their plating scraped off prior to the strike. The plating was originally complete. So we're looking at pre-strike damage, not a case of incomplete electroplating. Incompletely plated planchets can actually arise in three ways: (1) incomplete copper deposition, (2) plating that flakes off before the strike, (3) plating that is scraped off before the strike.
     
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