2017-P Dime with pretty cool looking die damage

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by jay4202472000, Sep 6, 2017.

  1. jay4202472000

    jay4202472000 Well-Known Member

    There is a small area of fairly strong die scrapes behind the torch on the reverse. I don't know if it was intentional or not. If intentional, I can't discern why. I see no evidence of a clash, but these aren't your typical polish marks. They all go east/west and are pretty deep scrapes. My first thought was the mint may have noticed one of those new doubled dies Wexler has been listing, and tried to remove it. I can't see any evidence of a doubled leaf either though. Either way I thought it could be a neat conversation piece. Maybe Mr. Diamond or Mr. Weinberg will chime in with their thoughts. I'm sure it's just accidental die damage. Thanks all!

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  3. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

    Is it just me or is his cheek displaying on the obverse displaying the lines too?
     
  4. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

    Maybe finger feeder scratched the planchet?
     
  5. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    It looks like the die was scraped by something. The marks look raised on the coin.

    Chris
     
  6. ken454

    ken454 Well-Known Member

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  7. steve.e

    steve.e Cherry picker

    Lapped die!! Very nice. I love these varieties.
     
  8. fish4uinmd

    fish4uinmd Well-Known Member

  9. fish4uinmd

    fish4uinmd Well-Known Member

    Incredible pictures.
     
  10. fish4uinmd

    fish4uinmd Well-Known Member

    Lapped die??
     
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  11. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    NOT a planchet flaw! Not a feed finger across the planchet!

    Why?

    Edit: As @fish4uinmd and others said, something happened to the die.

    WHY IS IT NOT DAMAGE TO THE PLANCHET?

    Take a guess. We all guess at everything else. That's how you learn things!
     
    Last edited: Sep 7, 2017
  12. RickO

    RickO Active Member

    That appears to be from the die itself.... Fred W. will no doubt comment on this... very interesting indeed...
     
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  13. fish4uinmd

    fish4uinmd Well-Known Member

    I called it a planchet "flaw"...but to answer your ??, I would say it's too symmetrical?
     
  14. steve.e

    steve.e Cherry picker

    The scratches go under the devices.
     
  15. steve.e

    steve.e Cherry picker

    There is a quarter in the cherry pickers guide. With this same type of error. They call it a lapped die.
     
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  16. Suztbird

    Suztbird New Member

    I learn something new every day!
     
  17. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    Problem is that all dies are lapped. Lapping is a term that machinist use for polishing or fitting by polishing.
     
  18. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Raised marks on a coin = incuse marks on a die = raised marks on a hub.

    !. What would make raised marks on a planchet?
    2. What would make incuse marks on a planchet?
    3. What should "ideally" happen to any marks on a planchet after it is struck?

    These are extremely unusual and large raised marks on a coin in a particular pattern. Wow!

    @Suztbird, I learn something new every day too!

    @Hommer Why is the fact that all dies are lapped a problem? All coins are struck (except for exceptions) yet look at all the "errors" that can occur. I'll assure you that the U.S. Mint would be embarrassed to see how this really neat quarter turned out. They are not suppose to look like this!
     
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  19. jay4202472000

    jay4202472000 Well-Known Member

    It's definitely die related, not planchet related. I do agree they look similar to feeder finger scrapes, but I have never seen them east/west or that tightly spaced. On newer coins they always seem to go at an almost 45ish degree angle. I have seen them go north/south on older coins such as this wheat cent I have.

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  20. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

    What year and mint mark?
     
  21. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

    Hey @jay4202472000 also was he die scraped before the die was made? I just don't understand why it's just the fields and not the devices
     
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