2016-P Shawnee Nice Clip Planchet

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  1. Rick Stachowski

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  3. cpm9ball

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    Hey Rick, it's not that often that we get to see such a large clip, and this appears to be an exception to the Blakesley Effect. Would you mind taking a photo of the (3rd) edge of the clip? This will make an interesting study!

    Chris
     
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  4. Rick Stachowski

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    I don't have it yet .
    When I get it, I'll take new images and post them here ..
     
  5. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    I'm sorry, but IMO it doesn't look like a real clip for the following reasons:

    * No Blakesley effect. I understand that this occasionally absent. But with a clip this large I don't see how it would be able to go through the upset mill and form a full rim opposite the clip.
    * Strong letters and devices at the edge of the clip. Metal needs pressure to flow into the letters and devices. I would expect the metal to flow into the large, missing area (lower pressure) instead of flowing into the letters and completely filling them (higher pressure needed).

    Just my opinion and welcome comments as to why my 2 concerns may be incorrect. I am looking forward to seeing Rick's pics when he has the coin in hand
     
  6. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    Looks good to me.

    I see a bit of metal flow at the A of States,
    and a soft, but there, Blakesley Effect opposite
    the clip area.

    As mentioned above, sometimes the metal flow, and the
    Blakeseley effect isn't as strong as in other clips.

    The 3rd authentication point is the 'cut/tear' marks
    of the clip itself. Rick can take a look at the inside
    of the clip, and tell us if he sees it - and the copper
    core will be 'off' in relation to the copper core of the
    reeding - the result of the punch going thru the planchet
    strip.
     
  7. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    Explanation works for me
     
  8. Rick Stachowski

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    Finally came in .
    Snow storm had it held up in Tennessee, for a couple of days .

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  9. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Excellent! :wideyed:
     
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  10. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    I don't know that I'm seeing that. The copper cores look aligned, not "off."
     
  11. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    The Punch needs to go down thru 51% of the planchet,
    then the rest of the metal it hits it's pushed down, and out. -

    The inside copper band (on clad coins) will be 'off' from the
    normal reeded edge copper band, because of this
    'punch/pushed' or 'punch/tear' effect. It's one of the
    easiest ways to confirm an incomplete planchet, along
    with the Blakesley Effect and metal flow.
     
  12. Rick Stachowski

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    Have no fear, more images are here .
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  13. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Excellent coin Rick! Well worth the snowstorm delay. Great pics too.
     
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  15. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    This one shows it. The other one you had in this orientation did, too, but it was more cut off at the sides. This picture, with the longer sides, shows the core in the clip pushed down more clearly. Were this coin just cut, those cores would align.
     
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  17. Kentucky

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    If you say so...
     
  18. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    I didn't know why the copper was in a different place through the clip, compared to the rest of the coin. But Fred explained it well.
    I thought this was just cut PMD, but now I see it is a large error.
     
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