2013 burnished eagle with partial collar and die clash + 1964d over polished planchets,bugsB,hotlips

Hi all, i was wondering if anybody could give me any information about if this is desireable or not, how would i get the errors documented on the label? I know basics about pcgs and ngc and know they have a list of specific die varieties but have not seen any such list for errors. This is pcgs graded sp69 . i have tried to capture both issues but its difficult to see the rim well. The suspected dieclash is at the tips of st. gaudens pointing two fingers near the rim , right near the most drastic rim problem. Also there is some doubling of some sort but i only mention it for completeness and potentially posterity ,as I am aware that is a die variety and not a mint error. The dimes i pulled from an obwr, the polishing marks are a clearly dominant feature , even over the doubled lips that show too. Would that be evidence of a die clash of the cheek? Its not damage persay. No metal was moved, that cheek mark seems to be part of the strike. Under 10x and very much under 20x magnification it shows compression and many fine lines running the length of the mark. This doesnt mean i am married to the concept...any of them , i just want to get some good info , maybe rough values to farely trade out those items and where to find information about stuff like the hotlips , that arent in the standard places. Lastly.i am working on a usable bugsbunny dime picture still and will add or edit it into this comment or thread as soon as i do. I also have to post them in the variety section for the obvious reasons. Thankyou for any help i can get.

 

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Hmmm.. first that I've heard of A " bugbunny" dime . What year is it ?

 

I don't understand or see anything you are trying to show us
and your poll is confusing.

 

Any suggestions on how to get the silver eagles rim to show better?

It is a 1964 d ,

I mean, that'll happen if you refuse to see anything in pictures that aren't perfect. While yes i see room for improvement and i am woring on that, to say you don't see ANYTHING... no that looks like you are just jaded and miserable . maybe take a break from advising if your not going to find out what i am all about first. What specifically is confusing about my poll?

 

oops

 

Congrats.. You have just been added to my ignore list.

I am definitely not jaded nor miserable.. You just don't make any sense!
Good luck getting responses.. Goodbye

 

It is 1964 denver ,I have been saying bugsbunny as a comparison to the franklyn half error.
The only time i saw it on anything was on a segs slab i saw on ebay.and segs spelled it buggs... so i dont think its any official title , thats what the quotations were for. Its a spoken or nickname but is not an officially accepted name. I actually think "beaver-tooth rosey" is more apt. I Did just look through my pictures and that particular thing is not in there...ill send a quick pic and this evening and tomorrow i am planning on updating my post . if you check the pic i just sent you will see a line flush with the upper lip, that is a raised area. I think it is related to the hotlips doubled die , the full hotlips (wddo-002)doesnt have that. It only shows on the intermediate "hl" like this, where it lookss liek they tried to fill and regrind the die and it was done by a 5 year old with a dremel tool, Lol. The overpolished die with no variety has reminants of that line but its not raised, the lip, nose and forhead have all doubling signs removed and it has even heavier polishing marks .

 

There is. Bugs Bunny Frankin 1955.
It's just a Die Clash.
Bugs Dime is also a clash but not really a known or attributed clash.. Just a silly attribution by the OP.

 

Looks like some minor die polish. If I'm understanding your comments correctly, you're saying that the die polish lines are from the mint trying to remove the doubling from doubled die 64D dime WDDO-002?

That's a big, big stretch. The mint would have to remove a lot of metal to erase the remnants of that doubled die and there would be a lot more missing details than you small pic shows. I would also expect much larger polishing marks if that happened. Even under the high mag in your pic, the polishing lines are minor

FYI, the Franklin "bugs bunny" coins were caused by a clashed die. The "teeth" are parts of the eagle from the reverse. This has nothing to do with die polishing or doubled dies

 

Thankyou for the info. I do know it was a die clash for the franklyn, its just visually similar. I will concentrate on being less abstract in my comments and polls. Paddyman98 , "under the radar" is a phrase that means something that is not considered or maybe routinely forgotten about or even outright ignored by the majority of people . so my idea of the mint trying to work on that die came from the sequence of the dimes themselves as i pulled them from the roll and inspected them . the roll is loaded with varieties i have already matched on wexlers and coneca , the hotlips is one, a bunch of f.s.501s a single f.s.502 , five f.s.801s and so on. ( I find the mint errors far more daunting to learn about than die varieties so far. I started collecting a year and a half ago and have much learning to do still) about 17 in i get my one strong hotlips, two weaker and one almost non existant and i see more and more , larger and larger polishing marks, and then an actual grinder and the doubling disapears on the chin, lips ,nose and forhead but remains on the igwt and date and libr of liberty .thing is , im a gunsmith by trade and i use these die grinders and polishing wheels and rotary tools ect. As well as leaening how to indentify their use. Because people like to ruin stuff by "improving" whatever it is...by grinding at it with a dremel tool. This to me seemed like a failed attempt at refacing a die, do to metal not bonding properly to the workwd surface. missing a degreasing in acetone and then dilute sulphuric acid, Distilled water , and again the acetone, the surface may have regected the bond . they would fill in the voids and build up the surface with d2 tool steel or other impact resistant alloy , grind it back to as new tollorences and reingrave.( it is more complex , but thats the idea) . i am showing the picture of that segs " buggsbunny" dime and screen shots of a 2011 s.a.e. with partial collar error from mr.fred weinburgs online inventory. This is what my 2013 burneshed eagle's rim looks like in person. if i can ever get that quality of photo, it would be easily visible on mine. What i think is a die clash on the same coin, is a big mark just at the tip of the fingers of ladyliberty's outstretched hand. The rim is highly effected in that same area . i hope this helps a little more.
. lol.and yes the segs pictures are real, an ebay seller has several marked like that and also has many marked as overpolished dies ,They were all 1964d also. This is why the over polishing and buggs bunny term stuck with me.