2006 Reverse Proof Rotated Dies

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by NICK66, Dec 15, 2006.

  1. NICK66

    NICK66 Coin Hoarder

    It appears that all of my reverse proofs have somewhat of a rotated die. Can ya see it? I thought it was pretty cool anyways. Just thought I'd share.

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  3. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Nick:
    Very nice, although most will say that the rotation is within tolerances, it is amazing that all of them are rotated the same.
     
  4. bruce 1947

    bruce 1947 Support Or Troops


    NICK,
    THAT IS COOL, WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF THEM ALL BEING LIKE THAT :thumb:
     
  5. NICK66

    NICK66 Coin Hoarder

    Thanks guys. These are the best of my collection so far and am very happy for now. Enjoy them while I can I guess.
     
  6. NICK66

    NICK66 Coin Hoarder

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    Here's another view. Just keep in mind PCGS didn't give these a rotated die grade, but you can easily tell when you look at them. I've looked at a bunch of these on Ebay, and I don't see any with the same rotation on the reverse.
     
  7. biggupp2

    biggupp2 New Member

    Does anyone know how many 2006-W unc. were minted?
     
  8. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Nick:
    On another posting someone stated that they needed at least 20 degrees of rotation inorder to label as a rotated die.
    I am not good at estimating degree of rotation. Anyone out there who can tell the degree?
     
  9. flyers10

    flyers10 Collector of US Coinage

    Nick-
    That is really cool. Looks right about 20 degrees maybe a bit shy. I checked mine out and mine are rotated about 5-8 degrees clockwise (about 1 o'clock) where yours in counter clockwise about 20 degrees.
    Sorry about the bad photo:
    http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7982/img2105nu2.jpg
     
  10. n_sandler4

    n_sandler4 Paul

    I believe it is rotated about 25 degrees....but of course, I just copied the picture into paint and used a picture of a protractor from the web....so...I might be a bit off....=p Here's how I did it in Paint....Oh, and I didn't compensate for any rotation there might be of the actual placement of the coin in the capsule....so that could throw it off...
     

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  11. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Flyers:
    All rotations are measured from the clock wise position, therefore his rotation is about 335 degrees (360 - 25 degrees = 335). Also, thanks I missed the direction of rotation until you mention it.
     
  12. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    In this case I think the correct answer is 155 degrees. The intended orienttion is "upside down", so measured in a clockwise direction, that's how far the image is actually displaced from where it should be.

    On the other hand, IMHO to us non-engineer types, "25 degrees left" conveys the message more clearly than "155 degrees" or "335 degrees". ;)
     
  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    You're missing something here guys. If you were to place the coin obverse side up and then just turn it over - this is how the pic should be oriented with the top of the slab at the top of the pic.
     

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  14. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member


    Huh? You lost me. Why turn the coin upside down?
     
  15. flyers10

    flyers10 Collector of US Coinage

    Thanks Frank. I wasn't aware of that. Learning something new everyday on this board. Have a good day.
     
  16. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Roy:
    To establish coin orientation, vs medal orientation.
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    That's just it, I didn't. I turned it right side up.

    That's the beauty of having a coin in a slab, the top is always the top. Think about it, if the coin were pictured obverse side up, Liberty's head would be at the top of the slab, yes ? OK, the top of the slab is the part with the label on it. And if you put the top of the slab at the top of the picture then on the reverse the image is inverted, just like it susposed to be. So if you want to see how far out of rotation the reverse of a coin is, then the image on the reverse should be upside down. Then you measure the degrees out of rotation and either right or left.

    This is because if the coin were struck with the correct orientation, the obverse and the reverse should be exactly 180 degrees rotated in relation to each other. In other words, the top of Liberty's head should line up with the center of the Eagle's tail. So to measure the degree of rotation Liberty's head shoulld remain oreinted at the top whether obverse side up or down.
     
  18. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member


    Right, so the reverse of the coin in the slab should look upside down, which it does except that the rotation is off about -25 degrees in the normal direction (clockwise). Am I misssing something here? from any point in measuring, it is still off by about -25 degrees, if measuring from the bottom or the top (thats the magic of angles). Hence this coin is off by 335 degrees, not by 25 degrees regardless if your measuring it upside down or rightside up.

    If the coin had a medal orientation it would be off a clean 180 degrees.

    Ruben
     
  19. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Ruben:
    Yes you are correct:
    "Flyers:
    All rotations are measured from the clock wise position, therefore his rotation is about 335 degrees (360 - 25 degrees = 335). Also, thanks I missed the direction of rotation until you mention it."
     
  20. n_sandler4

    n_sandler4 Paul

    Wow. I started a whole discussion over my picture...lol...
     
  21. flyers10

    flyers10 Collector of US Coinage

    So bottom line. How come Nicks coin is not considered a rotated die over 20 degrees?
     
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