2000 Wall Street $5

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by GeorgeM, Jul 5, 2016.

  1. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    I'm not seeing this in the Krause catalog - it's a $5 minted by Liberia.

    It looks like Liberia mints most of their $5 in CuNi, but those are smaller and lighter than this one. There are also silver plated $5 for some issues listed, but those are also lighter.

    This coin is approximately 40mm in diameter and 30g.

    I found a $10 listed as 0.999 silver (also not in the 2007 Krause catalog) which leads me to suspect that this is either silver plated or a lower silver content of some kind (like the 40% silver JFK halfs that have copper cores). But, it's odd that I can't find any record of it, anywhere.

    Any idea what this is worth, or if it has any precious metal content?
     

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  3. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    Even checking closed eBay listings, I'm only seeing the $10 piece (which, at 8.5 grams, is considerably smaller).

    Perhaps these were sold with the $10 as a set? I'm drawing a blank on Numista and NGC for the $5 Wall Street piece too.
     
  4. silentnviolent

    silentnviolent accumulator--selling--make an offer I can't refuse

    You may have seen this page in your search, but here it is:
    www.beastcoins.com/Topical/Bears/Liberia/Liberia.htm

    May need to be submitted for inclusion in Krause like the coin above it on that site.

    According to that site it is silver.

    I saw ask pricing range from around $55-$75..... Not sure how accurate that is.
     
  5. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    That's the $10 coin. Not finding that design listed anywhere on the $5 type that I have. Like I said, odd.

    Anyone have a newer Krause handy to check it against?
     
  6. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    Also, how does one go about submitting a revision suggestion to Krause publications? I browsed on their website a bit and didn't see any obvious ways to go about doing that.
     
  7. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    I'm still trying to figure out what rhyme or reason Liberia was using with their different denominations.

    Around 2000, it looks like the $5 coins were downsized from 40mm to 31.5mm. But, the sizes are *all* over the place around that time.

    I mean, there's the 2000 $5 George Bush presidential commemorative:
    31.5mm / 11.2g / Copper Nickel

    Then there's the 2000 $5 Air Force One commemorative: 40mm / 32g / Copper Nickel

    And the 2000 $5 Cologne Cathedral commemorative:
    40mm / 27.87g / Copper Nickel

    And the 2000 $5 African Lion commemorative:
    40.22mm / 27.96g / Silver plated CuNi

    And the 2000 $5 Roy Rogers commemorative:
    39mm / 31.1g / 99.9% silver

    I finally did find the $10 Wall Street coin listed on Numista (but not on their English language site):
    http://fr.numista.com/catalogue/pieces70493.html
    30mm / 8.5 g / 99.9% silver
     
  8. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    Hmm. I wonder if this is the explanation:

    http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces73486.html

    "This official 39 mm coin from the Republic of Liberia features Roy Rogers -- "King Of The Cowboys." It is a pure silver coin with a "cameo" proof strike. It is one of only 200 that were struck with a Liberian $5 reverse die (that was originally used for the silver-clad series) in order to get some "samples" struck while they awaited the new $20 reverse die that was intended for this issue in pure silver (KM#613.)
    This issue differs from the regular Roy Rogers coin of this denomination (KM#668) in that it is one full troy ounce (31.1 grams) of silver and boasts a reeded security edge*. The normal $5 coin is silver-clad (100 mil silver over standard metal), weighs about 26 grams and has a plain edge."

    My coin does have a reeded edge. It may only be 39mm, but I'm pretty confident of the 30g weight (29.99g on a rather sensitive digital scale that I tested it on without the capsule).

    One thing though - there's no $20 piece with this design either. SMEG.
     
  9. silentnviolent

    silentnviolent accumulator--selling--make an offer I can't refuse

    From the listing above the $10 coin in the link:
    "Note: This coin was submitted to Fred Borgmann of Krause Publications at the MidAmerica Coin Show in Chicago on June 24, 2000 for inclusion to the 28th Edition of the Standard Catalog of World Coins"

    I'd start with contacting Mr Borgmann.
     
  10. GeorgeM

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  11. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    After reaching out to Krause (I sent an e-mail to their customer service) I received the following:

    "We have over 100 2000 dated $5 coins in our database for Liberia, but none are commemorating Wall Street."

    They requested a handful of details, which I sent over. So, apparently, this coin is the pioneer piece. 16 years after it was minted, for whatever reason.
     
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  12. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    Also, correcting my original notes: 39mm diameter and 28.00 grams.
     
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  13. silentnviolent

    silentnviolent accumulator--selling--make an offer I can't refuse

    Very cool George :) thanks for sharing
     
  14. silentnviolent

    silentnviolent accumulator--selling--make an offer I can't refuse

    Will your photography be gracing the pages of the next Krause catalogue?
     
  15. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    Quite possibly!
     
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  16. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    Does anyone have the 2017 Krause in their library yet? Would you mind checking to see if this made the list? Thanks!
     
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