2 part GtG: 1947 Jefferson (whats the grade/issue)

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  1. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    To be clear- the coin is straight graded. There seems to be some sort of an anomaly around the obverse rim. Shows no sign of this on the reverse. So, whats the grade? What is this weird rim issue?? 20170202_164021.jpg 20170202_164109.jpg 20170202_164330.jpg 20170202_164241.jpg 20170202_164417.jpg Car 54 -err- @Paddy54 where are you???
     
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  3. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Heavy that anomaly is plastic from the slab. I have a few shields and Jefferson's with the same anomaly. But PCGS during the time this was graded had some issues with plastic. Yeah the first time I looked at one of mine I was like what the heck????

    Your images have improved you may want to check out if there's a short die scratch WW from lower left of the S of cents. If there it's a marker for the 1947 WDDR 003
     
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  4. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    I'm at ms-64 FS nice coin....

    I should of waited to somewhere after Miller time you know half past a six pk.
    And told you that your nickel had metal eating mites!
     
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  5. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I agree that the "rim anomaly" is the slab and not the coin.

    MS65
     
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  6. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    To me it looks like it's on the coin, it's just a little laminated area on the edge of the planchet that was struck down by the lettering and for the most part obliterated by the lettering.
     
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  7. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Oh, I'm in at MS65, too.
     
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  8. mynamespat

    mynamespat Well-Known Member

    I was looking at the E-W lines below Monticello. The rim is also a little blobby around ES OF. So, I like this theory of some sort planchet flaw.
     
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  9. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    And @rlm's cents
    So your saying that the rim of the coin is rubbing the plastic and that is debri?
    I am also at 65
     
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  10. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    I CAN confirm those are die polish lines on the reverse. They are definitely raised. What i dont understand, is how could a die (unless very worn/deteriorated) cause the issue running completely around the obverse rim. Could this be a flawed planchet or lamination type issue? Also, look at the raised metal blobs above GOD and to a lesser extant at the bottoms of IN, also @ 12 oclock obverse
     
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  11. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    I'm thinking it was from the sealing process where plastic from a gasket or the slab its self that form those saw teeth like anomalies . I have several graded nickels with the same thing going on. And yes at first it does look like lamination but it's plastic.
     
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  12. mynamespat

    mynamespat Well-Known Member

    I don't know for sure. Maybe it's confusing because it's both a deteriorated die collar (or a laminate chunk or something) and it also has the slab anomaly paddy mentioned. The area around GOD looks much different than others mentioned, imo.
     
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  13. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Pat what you're seeing is the difference between the plastic that's clear and that is cloudy. The thinner plastic is clear and shows the silver metal color. As the plastic that is thicker shows up as grey. I will find a few of my nickels with the same sort of slab issues and post.
     
  14. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Here's an 1950 D FS Jefferson in the same generation PCGS slab as the OP coin. have a look PCGS 50 D FS obv.jpg PCGS 50d rev.jpg PCGS Plastic a.jpg PCGS plastic c.jpg PCGS Plastic d.jpg PGCS plastic b.jpg
     
  15. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    shield rev 1.jpg
    Look at this shield see the plastic around the rim? look at it above the The second S in states follow it around the rim.
     
  16. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    It is the insert gasket. I have seen that on several mostly earlier slabs.
     
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  17. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    That would have ticked me off If I got that back from paying their dues. Do they re-holder them for free? I would think that this cant be good for the coin. Toning etc.
     
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  18. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    I venture to say that the op coin is the same generation of slabs from the tone on the coin and as to its grade. This coin is a 64 FS I be willing to bet . And a very nice 64 at that pushing the 65 mark so a 64 and 3/4 ' s almost a 65 FS nickel.
    I would value this specimen in FS 64 at 25-30$
     
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  19. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    And I also be willing to bet that the heat process was just a tad bit to hot that made the gasket melt .
     
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  20. Coinlover67

    Coinlover67 Well-Known Member

    65

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