2 Famous Errors seen at the Market

Saw these this past weekend. I've had a couple of 37-D 3 Legs but never owned a 55 DDO

 

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So.. You just seen them? Or you also own them?

 

Wow. At a flea market?

 

Just saw them. Sadly don't own them

 

How much were they asking for the 1955 Doubled Die?

 

Are they are raw?

Be careful.

The Buff's foreleg looks like there may be some scraping there.

Plus I don't see the diagnostic 'pee' spots that should be there.

If they are certified, what are the grades?

 

All of the 55DD have a rotated die reverse. Let's see the other side with the observe lined up correctly. Odds are if they are at a flea market they are both fakes. Why am I skeptical? These are raw coins, super rare and among the most counterfeited coins in the world. And they both just pop up. Yeah. OK.

 

There is a 50/50 chance that they could be real or fake.. Who is the seller? What are the coin backgrounds? Don't ever completely doubt anything.

 

It's not 50-50. If you take the number of fakes that exist, and the number of real ones that exist you are more in a 95-5 scenario. (More like 99.999-.001 but I am playing along.)
Because, if you have 1000 fakes and 1 real one, you can say: Either it's fake or it's real, so it's 50:50. But the math says it is 1000-1 against being real.

 

The thing here is I just spent about 20 minutes each looking ot the diagnostics. I think that they are real. and I just looked back at the photos and they seem to be in anacs slabs.
I am anxious to here from @jfscmedic

 

Frank
You and I are on the same page...I looked at this post during lunch today. The first thing that came to my mind is it doesn't look Kosher!
It may be but personally I wouldn't touch this specimen.
There's several things that just don't look right.

 

Try this thread for diagnostics of hoof and also the obverse.

http://www.cointalk.com/t63603/

 

I was really bad at math when I was a kid in school

 

Both are very Real..Slabbed and Graded by ANACS..Mid to High grade Circulated. Positive they are NOT Fakes

 

Then how much were they asking?

 

They were out of my price range ATM so I didn't ask prices. I am a dealer at the same market and I know the dealer who owns them

 

Other coins he has

 

That's cool that they were real. I was wrong as usual.
Still need to see the reverse, (on the 1955 DD) with the obverse oriented correctly.

 

Knowing this dealer Probably too Much. He tends to look at E-bay asking prices to Price his coins..I think he said he wanted around $2,000 for the 55 DDO and around $1,000 for the 3-leg Buffalo

 

If I get a chance I'll take some more pictures next time I see him