2 coins with "potential" doubling. advice appreciated

the first 2 pictures are of one coin, and the 3rd and 4th are of the 2nd coin. thanks in advance. the first one doesn't really look flat and shelf like

 

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guessing.... machine doubling

 

Dates of the coins?

I can tell you that neither is die doubling. First might be MD. Not sure about the 2nd. I have seen the anomaly frequently. I don't think that it is a clash, but the cause currently has escaped me right now...

 

1) strike/machine doubling.

2) clash die

 

I'm thinking the same.

 

the forehead is a 47 D wheatie and the other is 56 P. I was thinking clash for the 2nd but it doesn't like a pillar from the building. isn't that what you would think would be there?

 

ty everyone for your responses. wanted to play it safe

 

Well, a 1956 cent wouldn't have the memorial reverse anyway, so I wouldn't imagine it would look like a pillar from the building.

 

damn...you got me there. when that happens you know it's bedtime.*facepalm*

 

I'll guess it's from the right leg of the N.

 

Wouldn't it be incuse and not raised in that case? Or is it actually incuse and I'm seeing it as an illusion?

 

I'm seeing it as incuse, but I may be wrong. If it's raised then I would guess some type of abrasion. If incuse, then a clash of the N in CENT.

 

Tough to tell from an image.